(February 6, 2014 at 3:41 am)Godschild Wrote: I'm not sure if you're serious or not but I'll try to explain.I think it's more proper to say that he has a standing offer to pay. If he paid for all sin, past and present, then humans would have no obligations to god because that ticket is paid for. Granted, there may still be people who live by the "once saved, always saved" belief, in which case this would apply. But for most Christians it is still required that they accept Jesus as their savior, yes?
Christ took all sin, that is every sin committed and would be committed until the end of time, as if they were all His and then payed the penalty for them.
Godschild Wrote:The perfect Christ took these on before He died on the cross, He felt the weight of this mass of sin on His perfect life, it's no wonder He expired so quickly on the cross. I'm sure Hefner will be glad to let you pay for his sins, if you decide to take on this mission.But how do we quantify that "weight" or the "mass" of sin? Guilt? Did Jesus feel the guilt for all of the wickedness done by everyone ever? And what would that be like? People feel guilty all the time, and it's the sort of thing that we find ways to get over or live with or otherwise deal with. Was Jesus just overwhelmed by guilt for a short time? All of the guilt for all of the sins ever committed (both past and future) would be like a gnat bearing the weight of all of the newspapers ever made; it's so overkill that the gnat would never be able to appreciate how badly it was crushed.
Could the perfect Jesus really understand how guilt feels, and would he really be able to appreciate guilt magnified to such a degree? It's a concept that I cannot wrap my head around, and it seems a lot like the physical suffering and death. To an eternal being, who always was and always will be, any such suffering is barely the blink of an eye, and then it is gone. I don't think that god can understand our suffering; the best he can do is try it on for a short time and then go back to being god. That's a very cozy safety net to have.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
