(February 9, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: You can try to demonstrate atheism if you like.
Okay, sure!
You believe there's a god, right? Do I believe you when you say there is? No, I don't.
Atheism demonstrated.
Quote:You have nothing physically there to demonstrate of course, same applies to God as he isn't physical.
That must be very convenient for you.
So how do you know he exists at all? You have literally one way to interact with reality at all, and that's through your sensory apparatus.
Quote: So it's a question of belief either way you just have to go with the best arguments and most likely answers to the big questions. God is of course the best one, holds up very well. Though if we knew God existed as a certain fact there would be no need for faith of course.
You keep saying god is the best answer to the big questions, but god isn't actually an answer at all; it tells us nothing about the mechanism behind anything, our knowledge is not enhanced on any point, and an answer that you can't demonstrate and need faith to believe isn't a true answer by any stretch.
Quote:The Big Bang happened that was the point of creation of our particular level of physical existence, deliberate creation by the almighty Lord in the fully Biblical sense. As good a belief today as it was 3000 years ago, though we now know more about the specifics of the way God set things up.
Nah, the big bang was how Odin created the world. See? I can retrofit religious beliefs into known facts too.
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Quote:The Big Bang was more finely arranged to produce a life generating and sustaining universe than a NASA rocket flight to the moon that suggests meticulous planning and design to me. You may as well try to create a Boeing 747 by setting off an explosion in a junkyard.
That's really interesting, considering science hasn't given a concrete statement on the particulars of the big bang, nor what occurred before it. The general consensus is that we're unable to do so at the current time, so... maybe you should go and publish these bare assertions you've made, since you clearly know more than the people who've actually studied this.
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Quote:You're claiming there is no reason to believe that the creation of the universe was a deliberate/purpose intended event and I'm giving the reasoning why I and a few billion others think you're wrong. One kind of claim versus the other, someone will be right and someone will be wrong.
Actually, the claim I'm making is that I don't know how the universe began, but that I find your "evidence" for your claims insufficient.
My claim is this: "I don't believe you." The moment you actually present some good evidence, and not a series of fiat assertions, I'll believe you. That's the way rationality works.
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You can a reasoned opinion based on facts and evidence, reason and whatever. There's plenty of good reasons to believe in God.
Interesting how you never present any.
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All the scientific evidence we currently have fits into the context of a purpose made universe very well indeed.
No, it doesn't. At least, not without the desperate scrabble you religious folks to to bend over backwards to twist science to fit your religious dogma.
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