RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm by Darkstar.)
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: FreewillDo we even have it?
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: and moral argumentsEuthyphro dilemma
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Other arguments include the teleological argument which I find to be compelling as well, particularly if you realize that the universe is one great mathematical framework of precise balance. The cosmos itself and everything within it seems to wok together as a complete whole in bringing about the eventual fruition of life and intelligence so that's a strong point there.No, not really. What about the 99.999% (probably a low estimate) of the universe that is immediately destructive to life makes you think that the universe works together as a complete whole for the purpose of life?
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The message of the Bible particularly NT but also the OT if you look is essentially a God of the oppressed and poor which I believe to be on firm moral ground there, a lot of emphasis good works and charity and so forth.The fact that it sounds nice to you does not make it more likely to be true.
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Christianity seems to be the religion with the fewest man made religious laws and customs and so forth which to my mind makes it the most legit of the claimed revelations. Jesus to me seems like a perfectly good embodiment of God and the good I see as being within humanity as a whole regardless of class, nationality and race.Except that whole slavery thing, huh?
Ephesians 6:5-8
New International Version (NIV)
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Also I believe there is a subjective relational element regarding humanity and God that I experience and is possible for all humans to experience.Would it be too much of a jump to assume you have no evidence for that?
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: A few other points include the reverence of the natural world as a creation of God rather than an evil illusion of the maya or whatever it is they tend to believe in the Eastern religions.I'm not sure what you mean by "evil illusion of the maya" but you again run into the problem of assuming that because you like something, that makes it more likely to be true.
(February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: So I have all these reasons to believe in God in the Christian sense which as you can see outweigh your reasoning for atheism which states you have to scientifically prove something as a fact before you can believe it.Or at least provide some unambiguous scientific evidence. You are claiming that there exists a being capable of effortlessly bending all of the physical laws of the universe to its whim; surely you do not think that you have actually proven such a thing, do you? This is a tremendous claim; personal feelings and dubious logic aren't going to demonstrate its truth.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.