Abiogenesis is impossible

[Alex K]

My point was that these memories can be formed while going into or leaving this inactive state. You can't tell the difference because when the brain is shutting down, the memory of perception of time passed gets completely skewed.

Or alternatively consciousness isn't dependent on matter but instead is interactive with matter.

That's an unnecessary complication.

What would be your objection against the more straightforward less convoluted hypothesis?

"but instead is interactive with matter" is pretty much the definition of a more convoluted hypothesis

I give you evidence: when your brain gets shut down by appropriate chemicals, you lose consciousness and depending on how it goes, have no recollection of the time lost. Damage to certain parts of your brain changes your personality, heck, changes in brain chemistry are enough to do that.

The exact same thing would occur and be observed in the context of a direct interactive system.

As I said, if your interactive system forgets the face of my mother only because a part of my brain stroked out, it's not very useful. But again, you are making the more convoluted hypothesis out of wishful thinking.

It has been demonstrated from brain activity scans that even people in comas are still apparently conscious in some way as they can react to words and requests, even if they may not remember this if they regain full waking consciousness.

I've made similar experiments with the use of C2H5OH, so what was your point?

Damage to other parts will let you forget the face of your own mother, or will delete certain memories.

Perhaps the brains ability to retrieve memories from consciousness is compromised?

So you're saying that the ME which I experience is really my brain, and it needs to download memories from somewherefor me to have them? Seems like the brain is the relevant part then, no? In any case, any evidence for this complicated hypothesis?

Where in the brain is memory even supposed to be stored anyway? There isn't a harddrive.

Ok now you're being willfully obtuse, right? Is that the level on which you have thought about the issue? Where's the harddrive? That's pathetic!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_neural_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-term_memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_memory

If there is an immaterial soul on top of the brain, it doesn't seem to capture any important aspects of my personality, mind or memories.

You can have consciousness first then the brain will act as a filter for this consciousness.

Do you have any evidence for this complicated hypothesis?

Death would result in the brain being removed from the system of conscious expression and this would account for near death and mystic experiences over the centuries.

You don't need this complicated unevidenced hypothesis to explain NDEs

Your system doesn't account for anything and there is no explanation or evidence for it. What you have their are blind assumptions based on nothing much like atheism itself.

Right back at you, you are the one having to make up stuff about interactions and downloading memories from consciousness to the self or whatever, it's got theist wishful thinking writ large all over it.