(February 19, 2014 at 4:23 pm)rasetsu Wrote: So theists have to prove God with science (which you can't do) and atheists don't have to prove philosophical reductionist materialism with science (you can't do this either) because what you believe is automatically true and therefore doesn't need to be proved because you say it is? That's a great tactic.
Read this very slowly. I'll try to use small words.
Atheism is not "philosophical reductionist materialism."
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.[/quote]
I will use very large words here so the point may sink into you.
MATERIALISM IS WHAT YOU ARE WITH LEFT WITH IF GOD OR ANY FORM OF NON-PHYSICAL TRANSCENDENT ULTIMATE REALITY OF ANY FORM DOES NOT EXIST OR IF YOU DENY THE CLAIM THAT THERE IS ANY GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR EQUIVALENT NON-PHYSICAL ULTIMATE REALITY WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR ALL THAT EXISTS.
So yes damn right atheism is philosophical reductionist materialism if you do not affirm the belief in the alternative or call it a fairy tale or whatever. This is a belief you have, a religious belief the equivalent of a faith, and you have no evidences or good reason to believe in it's truth just pure blasphemy and madness.
You shouldn't believe in this stuff, it's opinions lies and deception dressed as clever arguments for the gullible.
Quote:To answer your earlier question of why that third of NDEs matters, it matters because you claimed those experiences are evidence of what happens at death. If a third aren't associated with death, this adequately refutes your claim that they are evidence of what happens "at death."
Death is one way to fully experience God but the idea is that there are other ways to accomplish an experience of God you're still alive. Some people including say Saint Paul when he had his blinding vision can have a more full experience of God than most. It does depend on whether you believe in God to begin with, and you damn well ought to.
Quote: You believe it solely because you want to believe it. There is no actual "reason" for your belief, just wishing.
No no no you are doing that if you have no evidence, facts or reasons to justify what you believe. I've seen absolutely no good arguments to support reductionist materialism and I have seen to and destroyed it as a valid rational belief before your very eyes.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.