(March 21, 2010 at 6:32 pm)tackattack Wrote:(March 21, 2010 at 5:49 pm)Rwandrall Wrote: Here is the first one:
Evolution is now (hopefully) fact for anyone who thinks rationally.
The Old Testament (used both in Judaism and Christianity, dunno for Islam) claims the story of Adam and Eve is true That would depend on your definition of true.. we believe it morally true not literally true
If Evolution is right, Adam and Eve never existed. Hence, the Bible claimed something that is not true
Since one thing in the Bible is wrong, the Bible as a holy book that speaks the word of God is not acceptable, everything it says can be questioned, and the burden of proof is therefore on the bible-believers.isn't that some sort of inappropriate generaliztaion or a fallacy of some sort?
I know, this argument is shaky at best, but it is pretty simple to explain, does not require philosophical interrogation and rarely leads to the loop argument of "i believe because i believe".
Are you just trying to get the burden of proof on the theists.. I thought that was a given?
Actually, some theists i have met put the burden of proof on the athiests, because, in short, the Bible is innocent until proven guilty
About the generalization, i agree and that is why this argument is not perfect. However, imagine there was, lets say, a history book narrating rock solid events, such as the Napoleon Wars or World War 1, but that was written 2000 years ago. Now imagine we find an error in that book. Shouldn't that allow us to doubt the entirety of the book ?
Finally about the story of Adam and Eve being only a metaphor of some kind, i do not believe that the people who wrote the bible meant that, it was just the tale of creation that exists in all mythologies.
Imagine you are not in Christian, but Greek Mythology, ill just change a few things
Zeus created the heavens and the Earth, all the creatures of the land, the sea and the air, and then the two first humans, Kratos and Euclidia, who lived in a mystical garden surrounding Mount Olympus, home of the Gods. He told them NEVER to climb Mount Olympus, but Typhon, Zeus' enemy, took the form of a rat and guided them to the top of the mountain. They then got banished.
Does this seem to make any more sense than the tales of creation that are in any other mythologies ?
Another interesting tale: in actual Greek mythology...the one that brought sin and mortality to man was ALSO the first woman, Pandora...and the great God (Zeus) is ALSO a father figure with a long white beard who can both protect and smite.
