Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole

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The Old Testament claims the story of Adam and Eve is true

That would depend on your definition of true.. we believe it morally true not literally true

Well, some christians believe it's literal.
If the bible is the word of God then its meaning must be clear with only one interpretation/meaning possible.
If humans find multiple interpretations it could mean:

- that god and his word are imperfect therefore it's not God (at least not the standard perfect being most people imagine)

- humans aren't capable of understanding his word correctly (cause they're imperfect),
but since God is omniscient He knows that and either He can't make his word comprehensible by his own creatures or doesn't want to. The former goes against his omnipotence and the latter surely goes against a bible verse of some kind. ( But in both cases it means no interpretation of the bible can be sure to represent his word and therefore no bible passage can be used to disprove his existence. So a non-omnipotent God or a God who doesn't give a shit about us could still exist ! )

Therefore the only solution is literal interpretation which solves the truth definition problem (and even that is not really a solution because nothing says that the simpler interpretation is the right one)

In that case Rwandrall's demonstration stands on its feet, at least to me. (and it only states that "if evolution is right, then the Bible is not the word of the God described in the Bible")

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1. You're assumig that the Bible is the word of God. It isn't.
2. There i actually many teachings of Jesus trying to get people to look away from the literal interpretations of the Law to a more subjective law "written on the hearts of men" with the interprettion of the Holy Spirit.
3. "then the Bible is not the word of the God described in the Bible" point it out in the Bible and I'll agree.

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Here is the first one:

Evolution is now (hopefully) fact for anyone who thinks rationally.
The Old Testament (used both in Judaism and Christianity, dunno for Islam) claims the story of Adam and Eve is true That would depend on your definition of true.. we believe it morally true not literally true
If Evolution is right, Adam and Eve never existed. Hence, the Bible claimed something that is not true

Since one thing in the Bible is wrong, the Bible as a holy book that speaks the word of God is not acceptable, everything it says can be questioned, and the burden of proof is therefore on the bible-believers.isn't that some sort of inappropriate generaliztaion or a fallacy of some sort?

I know, this argument is shaky at best, but it is pretty simple to explain, does not require philosophical interrogation and rarely leads to the loop argument of "i believe because i believe".

Are you just trying to get the burden of proof on the theists.. I thought that was a given?

Actually, some theists i have met put the burden of proof on the athiests, because, in short, the Bible is innocent until proven guilty

About the generalization, i agree and that is why this argument is not perfect. However, imagine there was, lets say, a history book narrating rock solid events, such as the Napoleon Wars or World War 1, but that was written 2000 years ago. Now imagine we find an error in that book. Shouldn't that allow us to doubt the entirety of the book ?

Finally about the story of Adam and Eve being only a metaphor of some kind, i do not believe that the people who wrote the bible meant that, it was just the tale of creation that exists in all mythologies.

Imagine you are not in Christian, but Greek Mythology, ill just change a few things

Zeus created the heavens and the Earth, all the creatures of the land, the sea and the air, and then the two first humans, Kratos and Euclidia, who lived in a mystical garden surrounding Mount Olympus, home of the Gods. He told them NEVER to climb Mount Olympus, but Typhon, Zeus' enemy, took the form of a rat and guided them to the top of the mountain. They then got banished.

Does this seem to make any more sense than the tales of creation that are in any other mythologies ?

Another interesting tale: in actual Greek mythology...the one that brought sin and mortality to man was ALSO the first woman, Pandora...and the great God (Zeus) is ALSO a father figure with a long white beard who can both protect and smite.

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1. The burden of proof for the existence of God should always rest on the believer. How can you not believe in nothing?
2. A tale is a metaphor is a myth. It isn't an eye-witness account because they weren't recording anything for posterity in the "creation times".. too busy fornicating I'm presuming
3. I don't think anyone on here has denied similarities between Christian God and any other concepts of God before Christianity.



@padriac.. What is that fallacy from the first responce I gave, you're far more knowledgeble about the errancies of debate than I. Something about 1 chink in the armor making the entire armor worthless? I just wanted to know it's proper name if you don't mind