Evidence God Exists

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Let's count the logical fallacies in this one, shall we?

lol. Many species live in Australia, so there's nothing unique or special about it. Plus no one has ever believed that the tooth fairy is real.

So the qualifier here is that people have to believe in it for it to be true. Hello appeal to belief. 1.

There's nothing unique or special about one species because many species live in a region. Personal Incredulity. 2.

* For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible
The bible cannot be used for evidence of God's existence. I know that sounds tough, but that's the way it is.

I understand the rules. I wasn't using the bible as evidence. I was stating that the claims made in the bible are corroborated by my evidence. Consider this allegory: Someone finds a diary, and a passage describes that a body was dumped in the dessert. Is it real, or is it fiction? A team goes out to the dessert and indeed finds the body, which corroborates what's written in the diary. Sapient intelligence represents that body. It corroborates the bible's claim that man was created in the image of God, and that animals are inferior.

First of all, dessert and desert are two different things.

Second, using a source that is in itself self-validating and written by beings with sapient intelligence, then saying it's somehow backing up the claim that a higher power created us WITH this intelligence is a shot in the dark at BEST. If that's the case, anything written by anyone, EVER, corroborates that "evidence", since other animals don't possess the need for formally written language.

Begging the question. 3.

All I'm saying is that this points to a deity. It would be too much of a coincidence that only humans were given this advantage.

Personal Incredulity. 4.

Other species would have benefited from intelligence, yet natural selection did not provide it.

Personal Incredulity. 5. You also don't possess a working understanding of how natural selection works.

Not to mention that while man needed intelligence to survive, he did not need sapient intelligence to survive (e.g. Art, Science, Math, Civilization, etc.) Therefore our sapient intelligence is not a product of evolution.

Personal incredulity again. 6. Do you have ANYTHING to back up the claim that "he did not need sapient intelligence to survive"?

Man is the only creature that serves God. So is it just a coincidence that the only animal that worships God inherited sapient intelligence? Maybe to some it is, but to me it isn't.

I think we're going for the high score on personal incredulity here. 7.

How else would we have gotten sapient intelligence? Looking at the evolution of other species, very little happens that does not pertain to survival and preservation. I've made a point that sapient intelligence is not an evolutionary necessity. So if our sapient intelligence did not happen through evolution, then who gave it to us?

You've made it a point to not back up your claims with anything but logical fallacy. Just because you can't see any other way of it occurring, doesn't mean evolution works the way you want it to. You lack basic understanding of what natural selection does. I urge you to educate yourself and realize the folly of your argument.

Personal incredulity. 8.

I don't really have a particular version of God. There is only one God, though people practice religion in different ways.

Hasty Generalization. 9.

How do you know there is only one God? What about polytheists? Why couldn't there be multiple Gods?

There's a difference between God and religion. God is a being that can only be experienced through faith, and not scientific experiments.

Argument from ignorance - personal incredulity. 10. How do you know that God cannot be experienced through scientific experiments?

It is good to speak to an adult here for a change, and thanks for addressing the subject, which is what I've been trying to get the kiddies on this forum to do.

Ad Hominem. 11.

11 logical fallacies and you didn't even write that much. That's gotta be some kind of record.

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Well first off I don't think he's insane, many people find religion in prison, and those numbers don'ttake any of that into account. I can't see the average person at my Church committing a heinous crime outside of sexual perversion.

So that means they don't do it, right?

I would wager if a proper study was done, that surveying one crime.. killers... the ratio of theism prior to the commiting of the crime and after it was vastly askew. Being "God fearing" probably does more for the parole board than a rational mind.

So it's better to believe in God for the parole board? I thought we were talking about being well-rounded for society, not conforming to favoritism.

@RedFish... I'll take a shot at it. As humans lost their spee and natural defences through evolution. tools were required. Structure for a society and community was formed as were heirerarchies. Tools of varying qualities distinguished value among the society. The highest in society fought for the best tools. Best became subjective as standards improved. The it was which tool had the most feathers and did the job of dicing the fish. Tool adornment was logically a first art form, that coupled with visual language development, art is a natural progression. No research just off the top.

You're on the right track.

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Min your replies are childish go play somewhere you'll be taken seriously,a sandbox would be a good start.

ZenBadger you need to do research Jesus is mentioned in nonbibical historic writings.

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It seems most of you did not pay attention to what I wrote or you did not care to respond to what was written. First of all I qualified my reply as an IMO and stated that this reply was from expereincial observation.As I stated in my last reply I've lived a life that was surrounded by non believers and I've seen how they treated their bodies and then conceive a child.Those same people would continue to abuse their bodies during the pregnacy and after the birth.They just did not care.

Wow. Just wow.

My wife works in a county detention center/prison and has had to restain nonbelieveing women from aborting their unborn child.The things she has told me about nonbelievers and the ways they treat their children is nothing short of horrifying.I asked her if she thought most inmates were believers when they first arrived to her facility her answer was no.She did say that more believers left prison than entered prison (meaning they became believers in prison.

Let's all take your wife's word for it that non-believers are most likely child abusing, selfish people destined for prison. Care to take a stab at WHY people in prison believe in God?

Here's an essay about non-belief in prison:

http://reedsecular.org/2009/10/05/essay-...in-prison/

leo.rcc do you believe what my wife and I have lived through is not credible eyewittness evidence.As I stated in my first reply in this forum I'm not trying to convert anyone so we have no reason to lie.What we've experienced is not different in other places in this world human nature is the same every where.

It's not a lie, it's just a biased opinion that does not represent a population fairly or accurately. For you to say "it's not different in other places" and insinuate that a God makes you a better person is pretty ridiculous. The countries with the highest human development index and largest GDP per capita are mostly secular and have high atheist populations.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...per_capita

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/us/28beliefs.html

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

I went to the website about religious persons in prison.The only question asked was what religion are you.This is very limited research.Why were those people not asked when they found their religion,was it before or after you became an inmate.You also limited your findings to federal prisons.Why did you leave out the state prisons and the county and city jails.There are far more in local institutions than federal.

Agreed, the information is spotty at best. Best not to use the argument at all.

In the way you presented this information I should be able to take the no answers as people who are nonbelievers that's 20% then the religions I consider to be something other than belief in the one true God and thats another 20% combine this with those who became believers after entering prison and IMO the scales tip the other way.

"If I manipulate and skew statistics, then I can make them favor my point of view".

.....yeah.