RE: Evidence God Exists
March 22, 2010 at 10:49 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2010 at 11:18 pm by Godscreated.)
"Now I'm not saying all nonbelievers live this way nor am I saying all believers treat their unborn with the care they should.Nor am I saying that all nonbelievers have less respect for life than believers only a fool would make such a statement."
This is the statement I made at the end of my original reply and somehow most of you seemed to have missed it or ignored it so that you could make a mountain out of a molehill.
As respect for life goes, go back and read the entire post, I believe there are statements made by some atheist (not all atheist) that human life is no more important than animal life.If this statement is true then why do we have murder laws.
I hope this will help you to understand what I am saying when I use the terms believer and nonbeliever.
Believer=one who trust in the God of the Bible for their salvation through Jesus Christ.
Nonbeliever= eveyone else.
Yes religion has cost many innocent people their lives and yes people have killed in the name of God and wars have been fought in the name of christianity and none of this makes it right. What I want to know is why you think that true christians caused these horrible events.You are the ones making the assurtions give me your proof?
Josephus a Jewish historian born in 37 AD.The Antiquities is one of his greater works and it is the history of the Jewish nation from creation to his present time.In this work he writes about James being killed and refers to James as the brother of Jesus,who was called the Christ.Another work of Josephus called the Testimonium Flavianum refers to Jesus as a wise man that wrought suprising feats.He also states Pilate condemned Him to be crucified.Josephus also states in this passage that His followers loved Him and never abandoned His teachings.
Tacitus a roman historian tells of Jesus receiving a death sentence of crucifiction from Pontius Pilate.
Pliny The Younger writes of the executions of the followers of Christ.These executions were ordered by Pliny The Younger.
The New Testament says a great darkness fell over the land as Christ hung on the cross.There are historic records by Thallus,Tertullian that a great darkness did occur in the Mediterranean area in 33 AD.They said it was a solar eclipse of the sun.However we know that on the day of Jesus crucifiction that a Blood Moon rose over the horizion on the afternoon of the crucifiction this would make it impossible for there to have been a solar eclipse.In case someone doesn't know a blood moon refers to a lunar eclipse.
I wrote this last part in response to a statement made that there is no evidence that Jesus was a real person when indeed there is evidence out side of the Bible that supports the claim of the Bibical Jesus. I did not write this to claim Jesus is the Son of God even though that is exactly what I believe.
Please understand I do not lump all believers in one basket and all non believers in another there are a lot of different baskets that both fit in.I have many friends that are nonbelievers and they raise their children with great care and I know christians who are to lazy to provide properly for their childern.
I know people who are not christains yet they claim they are and I know people who are not christians and they do not claim they are, the latter I have respect for.Sorry if I came across as someone who looks down on people who do not believe as I do that is not what I intended and that is not who I am for the most part.I have a very hard time respecting anyone who mistreats childern (born or unborn).
Thank you AtheistPhil for your support of my position.
hock:In my last reply I gave more references to Jesus outside the Bible.
This is the statement I made at the end of my original reply and somehow most of you seemed to have missed it or ignored it so that you could make a mountain out of a molehill.
As respect for life goes, go back and read the entire post, I believe there are statements made by some atheist (not all atheist) that human life is no more important than animal life.If this statement is true then why do we have murder laws.
I hope this will help you to understand what I am saying when I use the terms believer and nonbeliever.
Believer=one who trust in the God of the Bible for their salvation through Jesus Christ.
Nonbeliever= eveyone else.
Yes religion has cost many innocent people their lives and yes people have killed in the name of God and wars have been fought in the name of christianity and none of this makes it right. What I want to know is why you think that true christians caused these horrible events.You are the ones making the assurtions give me your proof?
Josephus a Jewish historian born in 37 AD.The Antiquities is one of his greater works and it is the history of the Jewish nation from creation to his present time.In this work he writes about James being killed and refers to James as the brother of Jesus,who was called the Christ.Another work of Josephus called the Testimonium Flavianum refers to Jesus as a wise man that wrought suprising feats.He also states Pilate condemned Him to be crucified.Josephus also states in this passage that His followers loved Him and never abandoned His teachings.
Tacitus a roman historian tells of Jesus receiving a death sentence of crucifiction from Pontius Pilate.
Pliny The Younger writes of the executions of the followers of Christ.These executions were ordered by Pliny The Younger.
The New Testament says a great darkness fell over the land as Christ hung on the cross.There are historic records by Thallus,Tertullian that a great darkness did occur in the Mediterranean area in 33 AD.They said it was a solar eclipse of the sun.However we know that on the day of Jesus crucifiction that a Blood Moon rose over the horizion on the afternoon of the crucifiction this would make it impossible for there to have been a solar eclipse.In case someone doesn't know a blood moon refers to a lunar eclipse.
I wrote this last part in response to a statement made that there is no evidence that Jesus was a real person when indeed there is evidence out side of the Bible that supports the claim of the Bibical Jesus. I did not write this to claim Jesus is the Son of God even though that is exactly what I believe.
Please understand I do not lump all believers in one basket and all non believers in another there are a lot of different baskets that both fit in.I have many friends that are nonbelievers and they raise their children with great care and I know christians who are to lazy to provide properly for their childern.
I know people who are not christains yet they claim they are and I know people who are not christians and they do not claim they are, the latter I have respect for.Sorry if I came across as someone who looks down on people who do not believe as I do that is not what I intended and that is not who I am for the most part.I have a very hard time respecting anyone who mistreats childern (born or unborn).
(March 21, 2010 at 8:19 pm)AtheistPhil Wrote:(March 21, 2010 at 7:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='60951' dateline='1269215805']If an inmate wants to have his parole after doing half of his sentence he'd better play the role of the good boy who converted to christianity, especially in the southern US states.
She did say that more believers left prison than entered prison (meaning they became believers in prison.
Thank you AtheistPhil for your support of my position.

God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.