(February 26, 2014 at 10:42 pm)discipulus Wrote: I am glad I asked you what I did. I did not intend for you to go through the trouble of responding to the entire article though....You pulled my string.
Very thorough you are!
Quote:We need to come to a consensus on this issue before we go any further. I maintain that Jesus was a man of history. He was born around 6BC-4BC. He was from Galilee and around 30AD He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.
Can we agree on these three things?
Sorry, I thought I already answered that but it may have been buried in the dump I did above.
Luke, not Matthew, seems the easiest to reconcile with history if we must.
That would mean born 6 CE, started ministry 34 CE, crucified 36 CE.
Then again, John suggests that Jesus started his ministry in 27 CE and was crucified in 29 CE. I base this on the chapter 2 conversation Jesus had with the Jewish priests at the temple.
The Bible Wrote:John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
1. Temple construction started in 20 BCE (source: New Oxford Annotated Bible).
2. Add 46 years with no "year 0", this dates the conversation to Passover of 27 CE.
3. There were three Passover celebrations dated in the Gospel of John.
4. Count them. 27-28-29, Jesus was crucified before Passover of 29 CE.
...but of course, these dates would be too early for John the Baptist, who only got started in 28 CE. Sheesh, the poor guy doesn't have Holy Ghost powers. Give him at least a few years to build his famous ministry before you cut off his head!
I have no idea out of what source you pulled 6-4 BCE. The last Roman Census in the BCE era was 8-9 BCE. Qurinius during the 6-4 BCE era was governor of a province in the center of modern day Turkey, too distant to administer the Census.
30 CE as a crucifixion date is way too soon for John the Baptist, for reasons I already outlined. Jesus' ministry lasted for three (3) Passover Holidays according to the Gospel of John. JtB started his ministry at the earliest in 28 CE according to the Gospel of Luke. Even if the guy was an overnight success before having his head cut off, this doesn't allow for the three Passover Holidays we need to shoe-horn it all in before 30 CE.
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