Edit to add (I'm on a roll)
...OK, next we got to shoe-horn John the Baptist into our timeline. Here's what we know from the Bible:
1. Started his ministry in 28/29 CE.
2. Mouthed off about Herod Antipas' marriage to his brother's wife, Herodius.
3. Got his head cut off.
4. Jesus started his ministry afterwards.
Now Herod's brother died in 33-34 CE, which would be consistent with the dates in Luke and allow Jesus to be "about 30" if his birthdate was 6 CE.
This is also consistent with the political historical landmarks we have to work with. You see, Herod Antipas was already married before dumping his wife for Herodius, to the princess of a nearby Kingdom run by one Aratas IV. The princess got wind of Antipas' plans as Antipas was returning from Rome and she fled to her father's kingdom. Her father, none too pleased, made war with Antipas and beat up Antipas' army in 36/37 CE. Tiberius ordered the legions to save their client kingdom and come back with the head of Aratas IV but Tiberius died in 37 CE before the order could be carried out.
Now apologists like to shove the marriage which outraged John the Baptist to before 30 CE and subsequently allow JtB's early execution and JC's early start to his ministry. Not only does this savagely curtail just how much time JtB would have had to build a ministry (really, he did all that in one year) but it means that Aratas would have delayed his invasion by almost a decade.
It makes no sense.
So you can see the timeline is a big mess?
...OK, next we got to shoe-horn John the Baptist into our timeline. Here's what we know from the Bible:
1. Started his ministry in 28/29 CE.
2. Mouthed off about Herod Antipas' marriage to his brother's wife, Herodius.
3. Got his head cut off.
4. Jesus started his ministry afterwards.
Now Herod's brother died in 33-34 CE, which would be consistent with the dates in Luke and allow Jesus to be "about 30" if his birthdate was 6 CE.
This is also consistent with the political historical landmarks we have to work with. You see, Herod Antipas was already married before dumping his wife for Herodius, to the princess of a nearby Kingdom run by one Aratas IV. The princess got wind of Antipas' plans as Antipas was returning from Rome and she fled to her father's kingdom. Her father, none too pleased, made war with Antipas and beat up Antipas' army in 36/37 CE. Tiberius ordered the legions to save their client kingdom and come back with the head of Aratas IV but Tiberius died in 37 CE before the order could be carried out.
Now apologists like to shove the marriage which outraged John the Baptist to before 30 CE and subsequently allow JtB's early execution and JC's early start to his ministry. Not only does this savagely curtail just how much time JtB would have had to build a ministry (really, he did all that in one year) but it means that Aratas would have delayed his invasion by almost a decade.
It makes no sense.
So you can see the timeline is a big mess?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
