RE: Evidence God Exists
March 23, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm by tavarish.)
(March 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm)RedFish Wrote: I have come to no conclusion, I was pointing to evidence that atheism has dogma. If even one of those things can be applied to atheism, which I believe one or more can, and you yourself just conceded as much, then atheism is dogmatic.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-3113.html
I urge you to read what you wrote. The fact that something CAN be applied to something doesn't mean it's a necessary part of it. Can I apply the importance of science to a polytheistic point of view? Of course I can. Does that now mean that polytheism presupposes science?
I don't know how else to say this to you. There is no rite of passage or methods to see if you're a "real" atheist or not. Do you believe in God? If your answer is anything but "yes", then you're an atheist. That's it. you can think the world appeared yesterday, you can think aliens seeded our planet, you can think science is horseshit. You'll still be an atheist by any measure.
I took a look at the site you posted, and in their links section they link to http://www.answersingenesis.com
Yeah, they seem really unbiased with a description like : Creation, Science and the Bible...they don't disagree.
Not to mention they link Intelligent Design, Bible study and the C.S. Lewis society. So much for reality checks.
Their commentary section also links to Loose Change. I don't think you can get further from reality than that, except maybe the lizard Illuminati conspiracy.
It's an obvious Christian apologetics site. Every fucking post has to do with Jesus.
What you're essentially doing can be described by very common logical fallacies - hasty generalization and biased sample.
(March 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm)RedFish Wrote: This thread contains numerous references to evolution. This may be a consensus, it cannot be proved fact.
First off, scientific theories are based off of mountains of facts, so get that straight.
Second, the fact that people refer a notion does not mean it somehow is a dogmatic presupposition of a disbelief in God. Would you say that your acceptance of the theory of gravity is a dogmatic presupposition to your disbelief in dragons?
(March 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm)RedFish Wrote: Belief in God, for me, deals in only one thing. Your flippant response demonstrates your unwillingness to deal with a fact, preferring your Dogma. You treat my information with scorn, thus revealing your true level of understanding of Faith in an individual.
OK, you believe in God. What qualities does that God possess? How do you know this to be true?
(March 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm)RedFish Wrote: I deny nothing about Islam, or Christianity. I do not claim to be either, therefore you are guilty of the offence you accuse me of.
I claim nothing about the similarities between atheists, merely that atheism has Dogma.
So how can you not deny either, but do not subscribe to either ideology? Does that make any sense?
I'm not denying that I'm a basketball, but I don't claim to be a basketball. Either you're a basketball or you aren't.
Your claim that atheism has inherent and necessary dogma is false and built more on assumption and logical fallacy than anything of any rational basis.