RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
February 28, 2014 at 6:45 am
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2014 at 6:58 am by discipulus.)
(February 28, 2014 at 1:51 am)max-greece Wrote:Quote:I guess the question remains: What would you do if you saw me raise someone from the dead in Jesus' name?
Is this something you are likely to do during the debate?
I'll definitely tune in for that one.
Do you take requests? Could we choose who you bring back?
I might ask that you bring Jesus back - I have some questions for him.
Finally - and I don't know if you can do other things - but bringing someone back from the dead is kinda mundance in the grand scheme of things. Now if we could choose a miracle that would be something.
How about changing the morphology of the mosquito so that the female no longer sucks blood, passing on Malaria - perhaps switching to a fruit diet like the male?
That would convince me. I'm free next Monday so if you could do it then that would be lovely.
If I did that, would you give your life to Christ and seek to live moment by moment for Him? Would you worship and love Him with all your mind all your heart and all your strength?
(February 27, 2014 at 10:18 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(February 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)discipulus Wrote: Now that I think about it, it seems to me only right that we debate that one thing, that one misgiving that you feel is your biggest objection to Jesus Christ.
Whatever it is, if we can debate it and talk about it like civil, respectful human beings and I can give you thoughtful, sincere, respectful answers, then I will have done what was right.
Some skeptics might answer in four words: There is no proof.
Personally, I'm more concerned with the consequences of this belief system. Let me not mince words, Christianity is a dangerous, destructive belief system that has been the greatest disaster to befall humanity and is wholly maladaptive to the survival of human civilization in the future.
Ok. We can debate that. I believe the exact opposite.
(February 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(February 27, 2014 at 9:34 pm)discipulus Wrote: You are still asking questions which proves my point.Because it's not a common sight...people coming back to life after being a corpse for days.
Why ask why?
Quote:If you were alive in Jesus' day, and you saw all that He was doing and saying and you saw Him raise a man from the grave that had been dead for three days you still seem to insinuate that you would be in doubt....No...I'd probably have no doubt that he was some extraordinary person...
Quote:Why would you be so reluctant to confess that Christ was indeed who He said He was?I wouldn't... but I'd still require some sort of backup of the event...10 witnesses, at least...and a "do it again, please".
Quote:What is the issue here? I really fail to see it.Maybe the problem lies in the fact that all we have of that time is a tale.
Maybe............it is because you just do not like the idea of Christ coming on the seen and making the claim that it is He who is Lord of All......
A tale written well after the fact and possibly written with some sort of agenda... it is then of little reliability.
But I thought we were talking about your ability to bring people back from the dead, not the alleged a ability of some guy who lived 2 thousand years ago... continuation of the ability through time, jumping from person to person...that would be great...but if Hollywood is anything to go by, then those people would rather hide, than help people live a bit longer, risking exposure to the public.
Quote:The Pharisees loved the honor of men. This prevented them from believing.Dude, I'm the most willing person you'll meet...but I'm not gullible and require something more than "there's this book..."
Now you know why I have been saying all along that there exists no type of evidence for the existence of God that cannot be explained away by them that are unwilling to believe.
I think I have proven my point. All I have to do is refer to your own posts to prove it.
And I'm fully aware of the possibility of brain trickery, so I'll always require independent confirmation...and the more the merrier.
And I find amazing the amount of people who fail to meet this simple requirement and end up sounding like delusional folk.
And if after seeing Jesus raise a man from the dead you approached Him and asked Him to do it again and He did, then what?
(February 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm)Rahul Wrote:(February 27, 2014 at 9:34 pm)discipulus Wrote: If you were alive in Jesus' day, and you saw all that He was doing and saying and you saw Him raise a man from the grave that had been dead for three days you still seem to insinuate that you would be in doubt....
If we were alive in Jesus' day, we'd probably see that he seemed to be the exact same as a disheveled, slightly unhinged homeless person like we see on street corners today.
I do not know of any unhinged homeless people who have power over nature so as to be able to calm a storm with a word.
Christ came to His own and they did not receive Him despite the many evidences and proofs He provided them.
Being skeptical of claims of divinity is one thing. Refusing to accept the claim in the face of attending evidence and proofs is another. The later is a matter of the will.
If you were among the crowd and saw with your own eyes those things which Christ did as evidence of His claims....what would your response be.