(February 27, 2014 at 8:59 pm)discipulus Wrote: I guess the question remains: What would you do if you saw me raise someone from the dead in Jesus' name?What if you saw someone raise the dead in the name of Allah? Or Zeus? Or Peter Pan?
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind this hypothetical. I get the impression that the intent is to show that the atheist is so unwilling to consider the evidence for god that even proof would not be sufficient. Thus, the inability of the theist to make a convincing case is blamed on the atheist's 'unwillingness to accept the truth' and not on the theist's lack of convincing evidence or arguments.
However, this also shows the glaring problem that many theists have struggled with here: the lack of any clear convincing evidence of A god, much less THE god that any given theist is promoting as being true. Their gods demonstrated themselves to people many times and performed great and notable miracles many times... in the past. And they left no evidence, just written accounts that the theist insists are different from all of the other written accounts of gods and miracles. The best they can do is some form of "you can't prove it didn't happen" and "you wouldn't believe even if you saw."
"It could have happened, but only the stuff I believe" just isn't convincing, especially to those of us who were once Christians and saw just how poor an approach it is. You've got to come up with something better than "the problem is you guys" to make any kind of impression.
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-Stephen Jay Gould
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