RE: Ill pretend to be a religious person
March 25, 2010 at 3:55 am
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2010 at 4:03 am by Rwandrall.)
About Jesus "never happening"
Yes there is a slight difference of testimonies in the Gospel however look at how close they all are ! relating the same story, same birth, same life, same death, same resurection in all four gospels with amazing accuracy: is that not proof Jesus existed, walked amongst us humans ? Also, the Church, that Jesus himself predicted "Peter you are my stone and on this stone i will build my church" (that might be wrong im translating from the french version), is proof that Jesus was there.
@ Tackattack, no i didnt mean religion is incompatible with religion, i was tired, i meant reason is incompatible with religion
(atheist speaking)
Sorry i dont understand your idea of religion...if you have fear or regret or guilt, and believe because of that, how can you not have faith ? i mean, believing in God is believing in something without evidence and that is faith isnt it ?
Okay, then explain to me how, in a universe where there are nothing but inanimate atoms (although we guess other planets have life, it has not been proven) how can there be life ? if the universe is only composed of neutrinos, electrons and protons (have i got them right in english ? >.<), how can there be a cell ? Also..the universe was created by the Big Bang ? yeah, this immense universe was created when nothing exploded to become everything...? everything has a beginning, except God, who is eternal
Yes there is a slight difference of testimonies in the Gospel however look at how close they all are ! relating the same story, same birth, same life, same death, same resurection in all four gospels with amazing accuracy: is that not proof Jesus existed, walked amongst us humans ? Also, the Church, that Jesus himself predicted "Peter you are my stone and on this stone i will build my church" (that might be wrong im translating from the french version), is proof that Jesus was there.
@ Tackattack, no i didnt mean religion is incompatible with religion, i was tired, i meant reason is incompatible with religion
(March 24, 2010 at 9:05 pm)Saerules Wrote: ^ Among other things...
Rwandrall Wrote:Religion relies on faith, and faith is irrational and illogical. So in this aspect, religion is incompatible with religion.
Religion does not necessarily rely on faith... it could so easily rely on fear, regret, guilt, happiness, insanity, tradition, etc... why would it necessarily rely on faith?
Pretty large assumption about faith... clearly you're defining it differently than I am. If you have defined faith as a 'belief without logical support'... then it is stating the obvious that 'faith' is not logical. But that does not mean that many people have 'faith' as you have defined it.
How would religion be 'incompatible?' with itself? That made no sense to me... perhaps you could rephrase?
(atheist speaking)
Sorry i dont understand your idea of religion...if you have fear or regret or guilt, and believe because of that, how can you not have faith ? i mean, believing in God is believing in something without evidence and that is faith isnt it ?
(March 24, 2010 at 7:29 pm)Ace Wrote:(March 24, 2010 at 7:14 pm)Rwandrall Wrote: my evidence is the whole universe ! why is there such a thing as life ? why is there only one species that has intelligence and understanding of God, us humans ? Also, the fact that so many people believe in a God is proof that he is real: think about it, religion has been here for thousands of years, do you really think those BILLIONS of people can be wrong ?
Oooh I love this part. This is kinda like frodo giving us target practice.
Ok, the universe cannot prove the existance of an intelligent being. Since it is capable of coming into existance all on it's own. Kinda like how a planet forms on it's own. We aren't the only species with high intelligance and our so called "understanding of god" is nothing more than pure imgaination that is fueled by lack of knowledge and understanding. Also, reality does not favour the masses. For a lie is a lie no matter how many believe it. Many billions believing in the same thing can still all be wrong about it. Religion has been around for thousands of years and knows very little about reality. As history will show.
Well that twas fun.
Okay, then explain to me how, in a universe where there are nothing but inanimate atoms (although we guess other planets have life, it has not been proven) how can there be life ? if the universe is only composed of neutrinos, electrons and protons (have i got them right in english ? >.<), how can there be a cell ? Also..the universe was created by the Big Bang ? yeah, this immense universe was created when nothing exploded to become everything...? everything has a beginning, except God, who is eternal