RE: Why Agnostic Atheism may not be the most logical stance.
March 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2014 at 5:44 pm by Mystic.)
(March 1, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Rahul Wrote: If there is a god, it doesn't seem to be providing us with any real evidence that it exists. We just ain't got nothin'.
When people talk about faith, they talk about a mysterious direct way of feeling God's existence. They call it faith rather than knowledge because it differs with how we experience mundane things or come to know mathematical truths. We feel God is true directly, have a connection to him, but realize this is not like seeing a red ball and saying "here look there's a red ball" and everyone would acknowledge it. It's a more spiritual feeling that we all realize some people can ignore.
I believe this feeling can be upgraded or downgraded. It can reach higher levels and reach stages of certainty, or it can go to realms of severe doubt or even utmost denial, but it remains a sense we have.
This can be said to be unfalsifiable, but it my personal experience, I would not be able to acknowledge knowledge of God without this assumption.
I might be able to believe in a Creator, but not God. God as is in the ultimate being.
But if God exists, and you aren't sure God doesn't exist, how do you know we don't have this sense? I say this, because to me, it sure feels like we do have this sense. I want to know does it feel like for you for sure you don't have this sense, or is it just the current state you feel about it but you give some space that it's possible we have a spiritual sense or link to God?
Quote:Morality certainly does exist. It's a product of our evolution as a social species. Nothing more.
Nothing more? What's that suppose to mean? It certainly seems something profound. Something that we have to measure up by and gives us measurement and value. It doesn't seem to be just a product of evolution but a measurement of a metaphysical reality, our reality.
Quote:I don't think a god, if it existed, would not be knowable.
So than my problem applies. If you don't deny God exists, and is possibly knowable, how do you know you aren't irrational for not knowing him? How do you know we aren't suppose to know he exists?
(March 1, 2014 at 5:28 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Whether or not God is knowable, it is still irrational to believe it exists without some sort of evidence.
Evidence usually is indirect ways of knowing something but sometimes is direct. I guess value, morality, justice, love, these things would indirect way of knowing God. However it's not necessary to have indirect evidence, when you have a direct way of knowing God. There is a direct way of knowing God, and people often refer to it as faith. Do you deny this as a possible way of knowing God?
So this means, if God exists, this would be impossible way of knowing he exists?
(March 1, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: But, that is true. No one knows. One way or the other. Logic tells us no. That's fine. But, we don't know everything. That isn't weak atheism.
Strong atheism is the belief a god doesn't exist.
Weak atheism is the absence of belief in a god but at the same time not believing a god/gods doesn't/don't exist.
