(March 27, 2010 at 1:42 am)Godschild Wrote: The stories you mention about George Washington are not absolute fact actually they were written to show the character of the man and this helps strenghten the fact he was a real person. Those are stories told to show Washingtons honesty,trustworthiness and strength of character. The stories in no way make him a fictional character.
And I was not trying to demonstrate that the stories of Washington cutting down a cherry tree, etc. make him a "fictional character". I was trying to show how weak your position is. You made the point that the gospels were written "only" 19 years after Jesus (supposedly) died. This, to you, lends credence to the stories of his life. I was pointing out that stories were written about George Washington by someone who lived at the same time as Washington, and these stories are fables. So why wouldn't the stories about Jesus be fables also?
Quote:Thor if you like we'll argue the salvation of that particular Pope but like I stated I do not know for a fact he was.
Now you're turning things around! You originally made the comment that you did not know for sure whether or not the Pope was a Christian. I challenged this statement as it is patently absurd. Now you want to twist it into not knowing about "the salvation" of the Pope. This was not what you originally said! Can't you even keep track of what you say?
Quote:Thor read very carfully what I wrote I was asking if you wanted to argue the salvation of Urban II and unbelievable does not seem to be an answer so if you would please a simple yes or no.
Why don't YOU read very carefully what YOU wrote? To refresh your obviously faulty memory, here it is:
"I do not know if that Pope was a christian.Does history record him as saying he was a believer and if so was it recorded by a reliable historian who heard him say he was a believer."
This was the original comment I was responding to! It has nothing whatsoever to do with "salvation".
Yeesh.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?