(March 30, 2010 at 12:16 am)Godschild Wrote: tavarish I do not understand how you misundersood what I wrote. My point is this many claim to be christians saved by the grace of God but when they use the church only for personal gain and leave Christ out of their lives they show what they truly worship money,power,good standing in their community and so forth. As for the Scotsman you can boot him off the road and here's why Christ said that we could tell by their fruits who the true christians are. Christ also said that many would come before Him and say Lord, Lord haven't I done this and that in your name and I will say to them leave me for I do not know you. So you and your Scotsman buddy can forget the idea of a christian defending or judging another christian Jesus has already set guidelines on this. Christains make mistakes all the time we are not perfect that's why we accept Christ as our redeemer. Tavarish you want to apply logic to a supernatural being and logic can not prove or disprove God. Your logic might disapprove of God but your logic can not disprove what it can not define.
And around this merry go round once more.
You're claiming that some people aren't REAL Christians based on their personal beliefs being different than yours. This is called the No true Scotsman fallacy, which basically outlines that people within your social group or religion that you don't agree with weren't real members anyway, therefore their actions are not representative of the group.
You're the one judging people by their "fruits", and asking absurd questions like if the Pope's really Catholic or not.
You also failed to demonstrate how the Pope left Christ out of his life and used the church only for personal gain.
Would a want of personal gain be a negation of a belief in Christ? Why?
Where did I try to prove or disprove God? Stop with the red herrings, thanks.