Evidence God Exists

[tavarish]

No I'm not that's what you are saying about me. I know about the Scotsman. I'm saying that there are those who will use christianity for self gain and christians are to have a relationship with Christ based on trust and sacrifice.

Why can't you have both?

Jesus said that the road to salvation was a narrow road,that the gate to salvation was narrow and that few would enter. Jesus said that only through Him is salvation given. Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father except through Him. It's not about different beliefs it's about the one true belief and that's accepting Christ as ones savior and following Him.

Yes, everyone else who doesn't believe what you believe in is wrong and will pay for it for eternity.

All the other stuff is what seperates the church into different denominations.

Other stuff like what?

Matthew 7:13-23 read it. Jesus in those verses tells us that we can tell who is true to the faith and who is not and His words are So you,shall recognize them by their fruit.

And the bad trees who bear bad fruit, in this case, false believers, will be thrown into the fire. Way to go Jesus.

Paul states what the good and bad fruits are in Galatians 5:19-24. So you see no one has to judge them they will show themselves to be what they are and it's for we who are christians to recognize them for what they are.

THAT IS JUDGEMENT. Jesus isn't judging in this context, you are.

Christ told us these things for our protection from harm from those in the church who would do us harm.

No, it was written to instill a holier than thou attitude in the Christian population.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Person: I believed in you and did good works in my life!
Jesus: Fuck off.

You are absolutely correct in saying it would be absurd to question whither or not the Pope is Catholic. He is 100% Cathloic. I never stated that he was not Catholic. I only asked Thor if he wanted to argue if Pope Urban II had received salvation through Christ.

I never tried to demonstrate how the Pope left Christ out of his life or that he used the church for personal gain. Thor has not as of today given me a answer about arguing the point of Pope Urban II salvation.

Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity. I don't understand what you're getting at. You say it's not your place to judge, but it's all that you've been doing.

No not entirely. Christains should not be looking for personal gain in their relationship with Christ,this is not about us it's all about Christ. We as christians should be sacrificing,that is giving of our selves for others to honor Christ. Our reward will come in eternity with Christ.

That is personal gain. Obviously it is about you. If you found out that Christ died for your sins, but even then, you had to go to hell no matter what, would you still accept this doctrine?

While here in this body we are to give of ourselves and of that which God has blessed us with. Tavarish personal gain could be anything from praying for pesonal healing to a TV preacher raking in the cash from those who do not understand the Bible they are not seeing the wolf dressed in sheeps clothing.

So praying for cancer to recede is the same as a preacher selling his DVD on an infomercial? Did God bless the cancer patient with all those malignant cells?

I'm sorry that I stated my reply in a way that led you to believe I was impling you did. What I was trying to say was that logic has no way of proving,disproving or defining a supernatural being like the christian God.

If belief in God does not rest on logic, it is illogic.