RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
April 2, 2010 at 8:10 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2010 at 8:50 pm by roundsquare.)
ABOUT id you say that when put to the test it doesnt just fail it fails "MISERABLY". that is a huge claim and i was suprised that you didnt specify what test it is that id fails miserably when put to. but you mention bad design for which you give the inverted human retina as an example 2ndly you mention vestigal organs. i dont c how either one of these things object to the id argument, organs badly designed or useless still are composed of intricately complex cells and cellular machinery. many of the human designs are not efficient and plain bad and just by considering the history of air transport this becomes clear, yet no ever said that a plain wasnt designed regardless of how badly designed it was. basically the only point you may raise here is that the designer is a bad designer, i am not sure that even that conclusion is valid, because if we regard the designers motives, it could be that the designer felt like creating bad designs or including what some may allude to as useless parts in his designs like male nipples for cosmetic reasons like the peacocks brightly coloured feathers. about the human eyes i dont think any seeing person would give them up and any blind folk would reject them on the basis of them being supposedly badly designed, even those that assert they are will not give them up on any day. as to vestigal organs, the number of these is always decreasing as more and more knowledge is secured about the human body. also certain organs may have lost function overtime, perhaps due to mutations, and are trully useles today, e.g. blind fish that live in caves, they have non-functional eyes, what use is eyesight in dark caves, so the function is not selected as it were and is eventually lost.
The singularity hasnt always existed in what form may i ask? it too came to be. since space-time, matter/energy all began to exist, there was basically nothing prior. what caused these things to begin to exist?
shrinking space-time to its extreme, a point is arrived at when all distances in the universe is shrunk to zero. we no longer speak of dimensions or time at this point, and cosmologist quit here, because here we have NOTHING.
The singularity hasnt always existed in what form may i ask? it too came to be. since space-time, matter/energy all began to exist, there was basically nothing prior. what caused these things to begin to exist?
shrinking space-time to its extreme, a point is arrived at when all distances in the universe is shrunk to zero. we no longer speak of dimensions or time at this point, and cosmologist quit here, because here we have NOTHING.
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