(March 20, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: I'll have to disagree, the presupposition that we have "fallen from grace" is not as valid as the scientific theory of evolution.
Why would a god create us in a state where we need forgiveness?
The idea that we have fallen from grace has zero to do with the material consideration of evolution. From the link, saleability is a consideration of teleology, and evolution materialism.
Teleologically, our fulfillment is achieved through God.
Good can't exist without it's opposite force. Love couldn't be given if hate weren't also possible. The only way we could exist without needs is if there were no good and bad. We need love, and that demands our innocence.
