Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 14, 2025, 4:03 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The first Christians weren't Bible Christians
#60
RE: The first Christians weren't Bible Christians
(March 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm)rightcoaster Wrote: Someone here pointed me to a book by Hyam Maccoby on Paul as mythologizer, the true inventor of Christianity (and quite the opportunist and liar). Maccoby makes, inter many alia, the interesting observation that if Paul was really a Pharisee trained by Gamaliel he'd not have used the LXX. In some of the letters (those agreed not pseudonymous) he used LXX phrases that differ from their Hebrew counterparts, so that the Hebrew text was not his source. I can't recall them, and finding the specific cites would require drudgery.
Well he didn't use the LXX, he used the proto-lxx, we do not know what it was prior to the Hexapla's fifth column. Also he used scribes, his scribes probably couldn't read Hebrew?
Quote:Aractus, if the Protestants did all that noble restoration, why do so many of their translations still have Isaiah 7:14 so wrong, and so very few have it right?
Well I'm glad you asked. Why? Because of this:
  • Isaiah 7:14 LXX: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel.
    Isaiah 7:14 MT/DSS: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    Matthew 1:23: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”
Matthew never quotes from the LXX(/proto-lxx), he in fact is quoting from the Hebrew just like Luke and I could go through all of his quotes and prove it if I had to. Here's another:
  • Matthew 2:17-18
    Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:

    “A voice was heard in Ramah,
    weeping and loud lamentation,
    Rachel weeping for her children;
    she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”

    Jeremiah 31:15
    Thus says the Lord:
    “A voice is heard in Ramah,
    lamentation and bitter weeping.
    Rachel is weeping for her children;
    she refuses to be comforted for her children,
    because they are no more.”

    Jeremiah 38:15 (LXX)
    A voice was heard in Rama, of lamentation, and of weeping, and wailing; Rachel would not cease weeping for her children, because they are not.
So the question for you would be actually why do both Matthew and the LXX translate as "virgin" independently of each other?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: The first Christians weren't Bible Christians - by Lek - March 21, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: The first Christians weren't Bible Christians - by Aractus - March 26, 2014 at 3:30 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Without citing the bible, what marks the bible as the one book with God's message? Whateverist 143 56104 March 31, 2022 at 7:05 am
Last Post: Gwaithmir
  Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible? T.J. 30 4436 November 19, 2021 at 10:39 pm
Last Post: Brian37
  Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned? Dundee 71 11677 June 14, 2020 at 12:41 pm
Last Post: Paleophyte
  Christians vs Christians (yec) Fake Messiah 52 13396 January 31, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  What I see in the Bible is different then Jews and Christians. Mystic 8 3186 December 31, 2017 at 7:17 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Do right wing Christians read the bible? Won2blv 19 4937 October 16, 2016 at 5:59 am
Last Post: downbeatplumb
  Why do Christians become Christians? SteveII 168 42666 May 20, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Last Post: drfuzzy
  Christians. Prove That You Are Real/True Christians Nope 155 64532 September 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Last Post: Pyrrho
  Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible Forsaken 53 17918 February 15, 2015 at 6:38 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Illinois bible colleges: "We shouldn't have to follow state standards because bible!" Esquilax 34 9389 January 23, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Last Post: Spooky



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)