RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
March 29, 2014 at 12:01 am
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2014 at 12:03 am by Huggy Bear.)
(March 28, 2014 at 1:21 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Just because something hasn't been explained, doesn't mean it can't be explained. I literally listed evidence for the Big Bang. I gave you a link for evidence that non-matter can in fact be imbued with mass. The question of "Why" is another non sequitur. Something clearly happened. "How" is the question being looked into. To assume the de facto explanation is something supernatural for anything currently without an answer is a cut and paste right out of the 15th century. So congratulations on living up to that standard.I can't believe I have to keep reiterating my point. I'm asking what the environment was like before the "big bang". You can't just apply what happens in the known universe to the era (or what ever you want to call it) before the "big bang". If on the other hand your asserting that the environment in the known universe, is no different than the was it was like before the "big bang", then you do so without evidence. Sounds like faith to me.
(March 28, 2014 at 1:21 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: You are taking these quotes as not metaphor? Okay. Your religious text boils an unproven concept down to photons. Now prove your god exists.you do realize the God came down himself, preformed a bunch of miracles, and raised people from the dead ect. Yet even he couldn't get everyone to believe him, as a matter of fact there was one city he went to where he was unable to preform any miracles because the unbelief was so rampant. you expect me to do better?
Quote:Matthew 13:58.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief
You see, the gifts of God are operated by faith.
Quote:Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
And with out faith, the Bible states it is impossible to please God.
Quote:Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
So you insisting on "proof" shows you are not one of Abraham's seed.
Quote:Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Therefore if you really wanted proof, you'd be out looking for it. As it says in the previous passage God "is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Keeping with our theme of analogies, say i'm camping beside a river for instance, and I see you floating by in a boat. I happen the know the area and I know that your headed towards a waterfall. I'm obligated to warn you, but if you insist upon proof, i'm not obligated to provide it. Either take my word for it or don't, I'm not the one in danger. The smart move is to get out of the water and go see for yourself.
Quote:Philippians 2
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
(March 28, 2014 at 1:21 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I would not claim to know anything until I EVALUATED THE FUCKING EVIDENCE. While it seems you are okay to look at something and claim to know everything about it, I would go and investigate and challenge my preconceptions. I would look at the patterns, look for a natural explanation to the observed phenomena. What if I go out there and find a piece of plywood with rope attached to it? Could I then surmise that maybe people did it? How would I know anything until I evaluated the evidence?Like I said, I keep having to reiterate my point. What part of no evidence don't you understand? You will never find evidence, so in that case you will never find anything to dispute the claim of "aliens'. Therefore you will never be able to say for certain that "aliens" weren't involved.
(March 28, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Chas Wrote: Nope - I do not have to accept magic as the answer.
If all of the mass-energy of the universe is added up, the total is 0. That's right - zip, nada, zilch. That is because the gravitational energy is negative and balances the positive energy of matter and radiation.
If that is the case, then not one thing was 'created out of nothing' in the way that you mean. As has been pointed out, particle pairs pop in and out of existence all the time. That is not creating anything because they precisely offset each other. And there is no net loss when they annihilate.
As Krauss and others point out, 'nothing' is unstable.
But were not talking about the universe are we? We are talking about before the universe existed. Unless you are saying that you accept by faith that (since there is no evidence) the state of the universe now and whatever the state of existence was before the "big bang" are the same.