RE: Theists - what convinced you?
April 12, 2010 at 9:12 am
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2010 at 9:23 am by tavarish.)
(April 12, 2010 at 2:31 am)The Piper Wrote: You are being circular right now.
Explain how I'm being circular.
(April 12, 2010 at 2:31 am)The Piper Wrote: I consider so many things valid to the nature of the universe being designed that I could not possibly have the time to write them all down for you.
I don't need all of them, a few would be nice.
(April 12, 2010 at 2:31 am)The Piper Wrote: If you are interested, do some research on Google.
Would I search for "The Piper's evidence for the existence of God"? You're utterly missing the point, an it's getting monotonous to keep repeating the point. It's about your experiences and what led you to your belief in the existence of God. This is not necessarily the belief IN God.
(April 12, 2010 at 2:31 am)The Piper Wrote: I have not been evasive at all, I have answered all of your questions, and repeatedly answered them.
Where? You sure as hell didn't do that in this thread. I asked you to be more specific a number of times and I got nothing.
(April 12, 2010 at 2:31 am)The Piper Wrote: I do apologise for not having the time to explain all of the observations of nature that lead me to believe in a designed universe.
I don't need all of them - the most compelling ones that convinced you of such an entity's existence will suffice.
(April 12, 2010 at 3:25 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you go to my posting of Richard Dawkins interview with Father George Coyne Tav you'll see him explain quite clearly from a Christians point of view about the issue of God's existence from the POV of creation/ science. He says of the question that: "it isn't satisfying at all". Theological and philosophical questioning doesn't really answer the question well enough. For the question is a scientific one. What you're searching for Tav is a "God of explanation" as Coyne puts it, and that God is not the Christian God. If you want to find explanation... then use science. Don't try to make ideas of God = scientific ideas. I hope that makes sense.
God has no explanatory value. What good is that then? How can you assert an object's existence and necessary traits if it's not backed by anything?
Also, what relevance does this have to my initial questions?
(April 12, 2010 at 3:25 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You're exclusive take here has been to understand a Christian's reasoning for their belief in God from a scientific POV... which is strictly outside of the realm of religious belief. I'd suggest, if you want to try to understand reasoning for belief, you try to focus on what that belief actually entails rather than on what it doesn't. Don't change the subject to science... stick to the subject of religion.
I'm not changing anything to science, I'm asking what convinced people of their belief in the existence of God. I'm just probing a bit further than the vague assertions that plague these sorts of topics.
