[quote='snowtracks' pid='639092' dateline='1396066737']
here's the deal: atheist have this site, one sub-menu of it is "christianity". supposedly, it's set-up for more purpose than for one atheist to tell another atheist how smart they are and how stupid christianity is. hardly ever do i get the scientific or philosophic reason for atheistic or naturalist reason in support topic under discussion. what is posted is ridicule, derision and juvy stumper style question like: how do you explain that my favorite teacher or dog got cancer? what about those 11'th century crusades? did you know that there is a book that says the wall of Jericho didn't fall down?). so, atheistic want brand themselves with "we are the intellectual ones". well to that - bring it on. but there's a problem, actually it a cop-out: "we don't have to since you haven't proved the existence of God. over last 5000 years, there has been let say 50,000 scientist, philosophers, writers, educators that written on the subject and i'm asked to prove God (just think wherever i would go, people saying "that's person proved God). posters however are about as good as the featured speakers at the atheist yearly world conventions. by the way that's coming up it April in Salt Lake city. tell them you want to speak about nothing, they will say "about nothing"? well if it's about 'nothing' you can but if you present any cogent argument 'forget it". it all comes down to comparing models: one says chance, another says purpose. on this board at least - purpose is winning.
[quote='Esquilax' pid='638048' dateline='1395993931']
Over the last 5000 years - scientists(As defined by you) - philosophers - writers - educators - and lot of other people have written LOTs of things about LOTS of gods - literally thousands of them.
In fact - there are at least 20 different gods mentioned in the bible itself (Not as false gods) - and the bible itself says that eventually - ALL humans will be united under the ONE GOD of the JEWISH religion and admit that all other beliefs were false. ( (Zechariah )
Since the majority of the people of the world who believe in gods - do not accept YOURS - and since we NOW live in an era where education and literacy is common in the world - you now present a dilemma for you -
why should we believe YOU rather than the other religions and gods - much less all of the others that have passed by in those 5000 years? Certainly it is NOT because of the bible - since the bible is of dubious reliability - contains lots of errors and contradictions - and cannot be identified as to source.
YOU see - this is not a SINGLE choice - there are DOZENS of possibilities.
So - who do you ask -?
Today - I can ask xtians themselves - and they will give me logical reasons why ALL of the sects of xtianity are no good. With over 40,000 different forms of xtianity available - alone - if your religion was SO convincing - why is it that you cannot even unite xtianity first?
And if you ask other theists - they will also eliminate ALL other religions as well.
Nevertheless - if Xtians agree that ALL xtian sects are of no value - and YOU claim that xtians tell the truth - then I have to accept that - and reject xtianity.
here's the deal: atheist have this site, one sub-menu of it is "christianity". supposedly, it's set-up for more purpose than for one atheist to tell another atheist how smart they are and how stupid christianity is. hardly ever do i get the scientific or philosophic reason for atheistic or naturalist reason in support topic under discussion. what is posted is ridicule, derision and juvy stumper style question like: how do you explain that my favorite teacher or dog got cancer? what about those 11'th century crusades? did you know that there is a book that says the wall of Jericho didn't fall down?). so, atheistic want brand themselves with "we are the intellectual ones". well to that - bring it on. but there's a problem, actually it a cop-out: "we don't have to since you haven't proved the existence of God. over last 5000 years, there has been let say 50,000 scientist, philosophers, writers, educators that written on the subject and i'm asked to prove God (just think wherever i would go, people saying "that's person proved God). posters however are about as good as the featured speakers at the atheist yearly world conventions. by the way that's coming up it April in Salt Lake city. tell them you want to speak about nothing, they will say "about nothing"? well if it's about 'nothing' you can but if you present any cogent argument 'forget it". it all comes down to comparing models: one says chance, another says purpose. on this board at least - purpose is winning.
[quote='Esquilax' pid='638048' dateline='1395993931']
Over the last 5000 years - scientists(As defined by you) - philosophers - writers - educators - and lot of other people have written LOTs of things about LOTS of gods - literally thousands of them.
In fact - there are at least 20 different gods mentioned in the bible itself (Not as false gods) - and the bible itself says that eventually - ALL humans will be united under the ONE GOD of the JEWISH religion and admit that all other beliefs were false. ( (Zechariah )
Since the majority of the people of the world who believe in gods - do not accept YOURS - and since we NOW live in an era where education and literacy is common in the world - you now present a dilemma for you -
why should we believe YOU rather than the other religions and gods - much less all of the others that have passed by in those 5000 years? Certainly it is NOT because of the bible - since the bible is of dubious reliability - contains lots of errors and contradictions - and cannot be identified as to source.
YOU see - this is not a SINGLE choice - there are DOZENS of possibilities.
So - who do you ask -?
Today - I can ask xtians themselves - and they will give me logical reasons why ALL of the sects of xtianity are no good. With over 40,000 different forms of xtianity available - alone - if your religion was SO convincing - why is it that you cannot even unite xtianity first?
And if you ask other theists - they will also eliminate ALL other religions as well.
Nevertheless - if Xtians agree that ALL xtian sects are of no value - and YOU claim that xtians tell the truth - then I have to accept that - and reject xtianity.