(April 12, 2010 at 5:59 am)chatpilot Wrote: Piper, I can quote bible verses with the best of them if you really want just bring it on. I will show you just how cruel and sadistic your god is.
@CP quoting Bible verses is what childern in Sunday School learn. As an adult you should have learned to take all scripture relating to a subject and determine the meaning of the verses pertaining to the subject. In Exodus 21:17 you want it to say God is a killer of little childern. When in reality it says nothing about little childern. I'm well past 30 yet I'm still my mothers child and if I were to disrespect her my father (if he were still living) would want to take my head off and I would not blame him. You need to look at all the verses and then determine what is meant. If you will I believe you'll find that even though the word childern is used it relates to grown childern trying to ruin the reputation of their parents. In those ancient times honoring parents was a big part of their society this was one way of holding community together. So for childern to disrespect parents was to disrespect the social order of that time. We could use much more of that today but individualism no matter the cost seems to be more important today.
In that last sentence I'm not saying we should kill people for disrespect of parents in todays society so don't go there.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
