(April 5, 2014 at 1:12 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Unlike theists and atheists, I have no need to demonstrate anything to anyone who is unwilling or unable or uninterested in seeing. If, on the other hand, you were to experience for yourself the things I have personally experienced, you'd have no doubts. For the record... I can also show you 'proof' that evolution is real, but it serves no purpose other than edifying some conflated sense of self-importance for having 'evidence' and 'knowledge' on my side. Why the hostility? Have I offended you, or do my beliefs (which you have no experience with) offend you? And, if I've not offended you, then why tear down something which you are completely ignorant of?
You don't offend me. The same old, tired religious rhetoric about personal experiences and those that don't want to believe doesn't offend me either, no matter the source. But I happen to find some enjoyment in analyzing what people say, finding what works, and finding what epistemic weak points there are.
This isn't offense, it's simply an observation made in a forum designed to allow debate; reality isn't dependent on whether or not a person wants to believe it. Having knowledge, and being able to support it with evidence, isn't "self-important," it's simply a function of a rational belief system. And if you're going to start out an explanation of your beliefs with "I'm not going to address those who don't already believe, or want to, because they won't believe me," then don't get arch when somebody calls you on how spurious that is.
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