(April 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: So, according to the Bible, YHWH is the source of all of our morality. He tells us not to kill, steal, rape lie, or covet, yet, he frequently breaks his own rules. He's on record for murdering the crap out of lots of people. Even children! So, you ask an apologist "what the shit?" and they'll say something to the effect of "God has no moral imperative not to kill us" or "those rules are for us, not God" or "who are you to question the Almighty!?"
Fair enough, I suppose (not really), but how do you know God isn't lying at any given time? He has no moral imperative to tell the truth, the rules about lying don't apply to him, and hey, who are we to question him? The apologetics are pretty clear on this.
So, how does a Christian trust any single word written in the Bible or allegedly said by God? Any traits they give him (like holding to his covenants) are all told to us... by God. How do we know he holds his covenants?
So, Christians: how can you trust God?
First - the bible is NOT a trustworthy document - it contains LOTS of things that are NOT true - cannot be true - never were true - along with many contradictions - and outright immorality. Anyone who trusts the bible has never actually read the bible.
And the problem is that the construct of morality in religion is actually NOT morality - it is coercion. A moral person does the right thing - simply because it is the right thing to do - NOT because there is a reward if you do it - or a punishment if YOU do not. And it clearly is against the notion of free will - the claim that you have FREE CHOICE is not true on the religious construct. THE actual statement of the god is - either do EXACTLY as I say (but not as I do) - or I will eternally punish you.
So - where is the morality as claimed by the religious? IT is not there to begin with.
AND a learned and intelligent person can easily see this - and can see through the claims of the theists