RE: When will theists bring something new and fresh?
April 6, 2014 at 9:31 pm
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2014 at 9:34 pm by *Deidre*.)
(April 6, 2014 at 8:03 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 6, 2014 at 6:41 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Your definition of "rational" is clearly different than what it actually means thus, changing the goal posts. Faith isn't rational no more than believing that the tooth fairy or big foot actually exist. It isn't rational to believe in hearsay stories that have never been proven to be true. The Bible isn't proof that your god exists. It only seems that way because you have rationalized it as such.
But to those who believe in such things, they will attempt to "rationalize" if only to themselves.
You're proving my point about a strawman game.
And you don't know me, and you have no idea what my thoughts about faith were. You are not better than atheists because you choose to believe in a deity.
No, I think my definition of "rational" is exactly the same as yours. What we define differently is faith.
I quoted you exactly and based my observations on your own words. I'm not belittling your faith as you held it. I'm saying it's nothing like what I understand faith to be. And exactly what I understand superstition to be.
Branding me with your own understanding, which I've already pointed out is different to mine, is meaningless.
If there's a straw man it's the one you're forcing me to wear.
You don't seem to want to accept that there could be actual reason for theists to believe in God. That's incorrect.
But since the 'actual reasons' vary from person to person, it would still seem that religion is based on subjective truths, not objective. That said, that's fine, but the problem is that religious people take those subjective truths and debate against non-theists who are using objective truth. It just doesn't work, it's not apples to apples.
You can believe whatever you wish, but your beliefs are not based on anything objectively truthful. That's all anyone here is saying.
Your faith seems real to you, because you have allowed yourself to put faith over reason. That's not a jab at you, that's reality. When I was a believer, reason and logic isn't what led me there, but rather a desire to believe in something unknown.
Unknown to anyone.
