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Why do Christians trust YHWH?
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RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm referencing the assumption that when God killed in the OT that it was immoral.

The only morality I am able to use to judge is my own. And from my own morality,Yahweh as depicted in the Bible, is immoral.

If he existed, and if the Bible is an accurate depiction of his nature and his
actions, then he'd have to give a complete accounting of why his actions were moral.

And no, 'divine command' is not a good justification for his actions.


Quote:I'm stepping back from that a little, and asking if in other circumstances, you knew Gods act of killing was indeed just, for whatever reason, would you still hate him?

Oh please! No one here 'hates' the Biblical god character.

If there were other circumstances that could justify the actions depicted in the Bible, it would be up to Yahweh to explain them.

But the really sad thing is, that your beliefs have caused you to sacrifice your own humanity to defend the actions of Yahweh. Your responses seem to take the form, "I believe that God is good and just, therefore his actions must also be good and just". Your logic is circular.

Quote:To the best of my understanding and from the original text, the Jews defined God as good and just. They're not depicting an evil act here. They're depicting justice observed. We might find the language and the culture tough to take. We're not supposed to be judging that culture on this (current culture), but understanding the point the authors are making from their perspective.

So, because Hebrews were themselves Bronze Age barbarian thugs, they are fine depicting their god as just an extreme version of their own behavior. Got it.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 5, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 5, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 8:43 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Bob Kelso - April 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Thackerie - April 7, 2014 at 9:32 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 5, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Ryantology - April 6, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 9:21 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 5, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by ThomM - April 5, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2014 at 9:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by jesus_wept - April 7, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 6, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 10:17 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 6, 2014 at 9:14 am
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RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm
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RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 6, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 6, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by The Valkyrie - April 6, 2014 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 6, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 6, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 7, 2014 at 12:22 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 7, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by smax - April 7, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by microxone - April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 3:16 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 8, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Simon Moon - April 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 3:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 9, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 7, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Godlesspanther - April 8, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 8, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 7, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by The Valkyrie - April 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 6:32 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 9, 2014 at 9:42 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 10:03 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 9, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 4:01 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 7:04 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 8:34 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 10:21 am
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RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 10, 2014 at 9:33 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 10, 2014 at 10:55 am

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