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Why do Christians trust YHWH?
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RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hi RobbyPants

Let's go back to the original context....

(April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm)microxone Wrote: he killed so many people in the OT. I will never trust god of the bible if he does exist.

(April 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If killing was the right thing to do, would you still hate God for it?

I'm referencing the assumption that when God killed in the OT that it was immoral.

I'm stepping back from that a little, and asking if in other circumstances, you knew Gods act of killing was indeed just, for whatever reason, would you still hate him?

To the best of my understanding and from the original text, the Jews defined God as good and just. They're not depicting an evil act here. They're depicting justice observed. We might find the language and the culture tough to take. We're not supposed to be judging that culture on this (current culture), but understanding the point the authors are making from their perspective.

If we define the killings as moral and just, then they would be tautologically moral and just, and I wouldn't be offended by them. I don't think microxone was making that assumption, though.

That being said, there are quite a few killings in the Bible that I cannot see as moral or just in any workable framework.
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Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 5, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 5, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 8:43 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Bob Kelso - April 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Thackerie - April 7, 2014 at 9:32 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 5, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Ryantology - April 6, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 9:21 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 5, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by ThomM - April 5, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2014 at 9:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by jesus_wept - April 7, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 5, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 6, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 5, 2014 at 10:17 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 5, 2014 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by professor - April 6, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Jackalope - April 6, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Cinjin - April 7, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 6, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 6, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by The Valkyrie - April 6, 2014 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Senshi - April 6, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 6, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 6, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Minimalist - April 7, 2014 at 12:22 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 7, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by smax - April 7, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by microxone - April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 3:16 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 8, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Simon Moon - April 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 8, 2014 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 3:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 9, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 7, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Lek - April 7, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by truthBtold - April 7, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Godlesspanther - April 8, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Tonus - April 8, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by tor - April 7, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by The Valkyrie - April 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 6:32 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 9, 2014 at 9:42 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2014 at 10:03 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 9, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Chad32 - April 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 4:01 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 7:04 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 8:34 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Esquilax - April 10, 2014 at 11:17 am
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by RobbyPants - April 10, 2014 at 9:33 am
Why do Christians trust YHWH? - by Rampant.A.I. - April 10, 2014 at 10:55 am

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