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The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
Question for Revelation777.

Why don't you believe what is written in the Quran or the Book of Mormon?

Book of Mormon Witnesses

Quote:The Book of Mormon witnesses are a group of contemporaries of Joseph Smith, Jr. who said they saw the golden plates from which Smith said he translated the Book of Mormon. The most significant witnesses are the Three Witnesses and the Eight Witnesses, all of whom allowed their names to be used on two separate statements included with the Book of Mormon.

The Three Witnesses were a group of three early leaders of the Latter Day Saint movement who wrote in a statement of 1830 that an angel had shown them the golden plates from which Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon and that they had heard God's voice testifying that the book had been translated by the power of God.

Unlike the Three Witnesses, the Eight testified that they both saw and handled the plates. Another difference is that the Eight testified they were shown the plates by Joseph Smith, Jr. rather than by an angel as had the Three Witnesses. Christian Whitmer died in 1835 and his brother Peter Whitmer, Jr. died the following year. In 1838, the surviving Whitmers became estranged from Joseph Smith Jr. during a leadership struggle in Far West, Missouri, and all were excommunicated with other dissenters,[5] never to rejoin Smith's church. None of the Eight Witnesses is known to have denied his testimony to the authenticity of Book of Mormon or the golden plates.

Mary Musselman Whitmer (1778–1856), the mother of five Witnesses who took care of the household in Fayette, New York, where much of the translation occurred, said that an angel showed her the plates and thus made her more content to continue her daily labors.[6] Joseph Smith made no mention of this visitation in his journal.

I know you're going to say that Satan deceived Muhammad, Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith's witnesses but that's not the point. You've given no indication that you're a Mormon which means that you've rejected two Holy Books even though umpteen people believe that these books are the truth.

What denomination are you, by the way? Calling yourself a Christian is very vague when there are around 40,000 Christian denominations teaching different things.

PS: Not all Christian groups believe in the trinity.

Nontrinitarianism

Quote:Nontrinitarianism (or antitrinitarianism) refers to monotheistic belief systems, primarily within Christianity, which reject the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity, namely, the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are co-eternal, co-equal, and indivisibly united in one being or ousia.

Nontrinitarian views differ widely on the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Various nontrinitarian views, such as Adoptionism, Monarchianism, and Subordinationism existed prior to the formal definition of the Trinity doctrine in A.D. 325, 360, and 431, at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.[11] Nontrinitarianism was later renewed in the Gnosticism of the Cathars in the 11th through 13th centuries, in the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century, and in some groups arising during the Second Great Awakening of the 19th century.

Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God.

It looks like Nontrinitariasm was the earlier form of Christianity.

I found an interesting article written by a Christian.

Did The True Church Ever Teach a Trinity? What is the doctrine of the trinity? What is the origin of the trinity?

If the triune nature of God is so important, why didn't Jesus make it 100% clear when preaching to the multitudes? It would have prevented a lot of confusion.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave - by Confused Ape - April 12, 2014 at 3:38 am

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