The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

[Revelation777]

The atheist is not saying the watch was an accident; we are saying we do not blindly accept your claim that it was designed, intelligently or not. That is something you need to demonstrate, not merely assert it.

Similarly, we are not saying god and/or gods do not exist, we are saying we do not accept your claim that such things do exist. The atheist carries no burden of proof, because the atheist is not trying to prove anything. It really is that simple.

Evading the issue of the basic existence of god/gods by throwing up red herrings about "how did all this come to be" is transparently dishonest and a desperate attempt to pretend you have supportive evidence when it is clear for all to see that you do not.

Dear Atheist Friend,
I want to let you know that I will not be replying to any posts from Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday for obvious reasons. I am planning on presenting on new threads, one at a time, what I will refer to as "The Seven Arguments." If my atheist friends answer each argument convincingly and satisfactory, then I will voluntarily and permanently leave this board. I am hoping the the discussion over seven arguments can be cordial, respectful, void of foul language and name calling. In the meantime, I would like to thank everyone on this board for your perspectives and sharing your views. I also am thankful for allowing a Christian like me to be here in the first place. I especially would like to thank: Esquilax, Stimbo, Minimalist, Aral Gamelon, Angry Cloud Face, Steel Curtain, Tonus, Deidre32, Chas, Kitanatos, Beccs, Brian37, Tartarus Sauce, DarkHorse, whateverist, faithnomore, and to anyone I have forgotten. I love you all in the Lord Jesus Christ and pray for you daily. Have a great weekend to you and your families.
In His Service,
Rev777

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Regarding the magic coin analogy and burden of proof. An athiest believes that there is no God. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no God.

Okay, so we can now add "what an atheist is," to the list of things Rev didn't bother to know anything about before he came here. It can sit right alongside "how the burden of proof works."

But can I say, Rev, how monumentally damn frustrating it is to see you constantly dodging questions and points in order to respond with inane, petty gotcha questions that aren't even logically well formed? This is the height of poor argumentation, and if you don't have an answer to something, don't try to slip around it and go on the attack, because we will notice and we will hold you accountable for this shoddy con tactic. This ain't our first time at this rodeo, even if it is yours.

Now, corrections. First of all, an atheist doesn't "believe there is no god," not necessarily. Most of us here don't believe in a god, and that's a small but important distinction: it's a "we don't know," backed up by a "there's still no evidence for your position, theists."

Secondly, it's not up to us to prove to you that god doesn't exist; we don't have to disprove something that has no basis in itself. We don't have to run, because you aren't chasing us. Without any evidence- which you have conspicuously failed to supply- then the default position is to disbelieve the claim. If you think it's otherwise, then in order to be logically consistent you'd have to believe every claim until you could prove it false, which makes you a polytheist shacked up with all kinds of gods.

But privileging your god with this "you can't prove he doesn't exist!" nonsense is called special pleading, and it's a logical fallacy. Inadmissible, but nice try.

Dear Atheist Friend,
I want to let you know that I will not be replying to any posts from Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday for obvious reasons. I am planning on presenting on new threads, one at a time, what I will refer to as "The Seven Arguments." If my atheist friends answer each argument convincingly and satisfactory, then I will voluntarily and permanently leave this board. I am hoping the the discussion over seven arguments can be cordial, respectful, void of foul language and name calling. In the meantime, I would like to thank everyone on this board for your perspectives and sharing your views. I also am thankful for allowing a Christian like me to be here in the first place. I especially would like to thank: Esquilax, Stimbo, Minimalist, Aral Gamelon, Angry Cloud Face, Steel Curtain, Tonus, Deidre32, Chas, Kitanatos, Beccs, Brian37, Tartarus Sauce, DarkHorse, whateverist, faithnomore, and to anyone I have forgotten. I love you all in the Lord Jesus Christ and pray for you daily. Have a great weekend to you and your families.
In His Service,
Rev777

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Look what you are saying,,,"blindly accept" If I hold up a watch and say, "someone created this" and you reply, "how could you blindly accept that?" How is that logical? The watch itself is the thing that points to an intelligent designer. If I had not watch then it would be a different story. However, the fact there is a planet, and every observable thing has a cause, then we have to reasonable conclude that there is a Creator.

We don't detect design by complexity or function. We detect design by contrasting it with nature.

The watch is obviously designed because watches don't appear naturally. Every example of a watch, is known to be designed. Usually by multiple people.

I base my answers on the Truth of God's Word and what I feel is sound reasoning. If you call that being dishonest then what can I say?

By definition, sound reasoning, is based on valid and sound logic. You have never exhibited any. This very post contains unreasonable arguments; argument from ignorance, special pleading, begging the question and probably others.

Something miraculous happened this time apx. 2,000 years ago. That is why this Sunday billions of people will observe this miracle. I encourage you to read the accounts in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Texts are not evidence for the miraculous.


Matthew, Mark and Luke were written by unknown authors and they weren't eyewitnesses.

Dear Atheist Friend,
I want to let you know that I will not be replying to any posts from Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday for obvious reasons. I am planning on presenting on new threads, one at a time, what I will refer to as "The Seven Arguments." If my atheist friends answer each argument convincingly and satisfactory, then I will voluntarily and permanently leave this board. I am hoping the the discussion over seven arguments can be cordial, respectful, void of foul language and name calling. In the meantime, I would like to thank everyone on this board for your perspectives and sharing your views. I also am thankful for allowing a Christian like me to be here in the first place. I especially would like to thank: Esquilax, Stimbo, Minimalist, Aral Gamelon, Angry Cloud Face, Steel Curtain, Tonus, Deidre32, Chas, Kitanatos, Beccs, Brian37, Tartarus Sauce, DarkHorse, whateverist, faithnomore, and to anyone I have forgotten. I love you all in the Lord Jesus Christ and pray for you daily. Have a great weekend to you and your families.
In His Service,
Rev777