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This deity murdered none, but killed many. He doesn't kill for fun, but in justice. Hitler is judged by humans in the light of war. War crimes are just that.. unjust actions in war.

Hilter kills for political reasons - he's a monster.

God kills for religious reasons - he's just.

It's all what side of the fence you're on. I'm guessing some Nazis don't disagree with Hitler's course of action either.

Gods law is known and fixed. God can't violate this law, or we'd have to redefine 'just'.

Why is God bound to a law? Why can't he violate it?

God's law is also 'within us' (biblical reference), so we can know if that pans out.

What?

To say that the God of the bible is unjust, is to say our own sense of justice is wrong. I trust that my sense of justice is correct, and I trust that the God of the bible is just.

How does one idea of justice equal the other? I do say the God of the Bible is unjust, and the way I can make this assertion is exactly because our concepts of justice and morality have evolved past those portrayed in the Bible. We (western society) don't embrace slavery, don't treat women as property, don't burn witches, don't stone people to death, and don't kill people for not believing or practicing the same religion we practice. This is an example of how secular ideals set straight the backwards laws and morals practiced and promoted by the God of the Bible.

To think justice is unchanging is to misunderstand how societal values change over time.

Anything else would require a complete rewrite of justice as we know it, and ultimately makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. We don't attribute justice to a divine deity, and don't expect our problems to magically go away by something that judges us by a set of rules that it doesn't even follow. Let's be realistic.

To say the God of the Bible is just would be to say that there would be a situation where mass infanticide would be OK.

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If your law says it's legal, then it's legal, and not murder. Like I said... all instances of God taking life are just taking of life, and not unjust, for the reasons already stated.

OK, so because God says it's just, that makes it OK?

Does murder not equal murder if it's God who mandates it?

How about rape? Infanticide? Torture?

This is a bit disturbing, as you're conflating legality with morality. Even moreso when you mention that it's OK for a deity whose existence you can't demonstrate to kill others without question.

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frodo wrote: 'This deity murdered none, but killed many.'

So you consider killing someone for simply disobeying you is just? I guess if we go by gods standard then if I tell my daughter not to do something and she does it anyway I should kill her? By gods law and your definition I am justified in doing so? You Christians go out of your way to justify the monster that is the deity that you worship, that in my view is insanity at its best.

Many don't realize that in order to rationalize God's actions, you have to do it by non-biblical standards.