Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

[Rampant.A.I.]

Please enlighten me; to what dogmatic belief are atheists enchained?

I don't agree with him 100% or even 50% but on the basic premise he's right at least. Atheism and the what is taken to be "science" tend to be considered to be one and the same thing.

And I should get that cough seen to, if I were you. Might be nasty.

It's not an infection I was just taken aback.

Pascal's Wager? Seriously?

No I was just pointing out the materialistic assumption you were making without realizing you were making it. You just take it for granted that this is true unless proven otherwise.

Quite sure, thanks. As demonstrated rather beautifully by the pages and pages of evidence that atheists have presented on these very boards, compared to the equivalent number of pages of theists with their fingers in their ears and shouting "T'isn't!"

We share the same scientific evidence of the exact same universe, there is no "evidence of atheism". Where are getting this from?

And yet again, you miss the point I'm making while addressing one I didn't. I'll reiterate and clarify for you:


and its suggestion that real events within living memory would cancel out the adoption of an alternative reinterpretation of history, to put it politely, I offered an exampleof a popular belief which actually is propogated as fact despite having a much more recent origin; ie, the US Pledge of Allegiance contains the "One Nation Under God" line, therefore the country was founded as a xtain nation, even though the words were only added in 1954. I see no evidence that the reality has "killed the movement in it's [sic] tracks"

The NT already covered the possibility that the faith is a mistake.

"And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied."

So this has already been covered, if you're wrong then you're wrong there's nothing you can do about it. But it goes on to give some assurance to the faithful that Christ was indeed raised from death as will we all be. That's the idea of the faith/belief. So you apparently lost your faith but we can put it down to defeatism/nihilism on your part not rationalism or science. God is perfectly rational as an existential concept and science does not or ever could in anyway disprove Gods existence. You either believe or you don't and you have the freedom of choice either way. What you believe right now could easily be an error of judgement on your part if you have have been taken in by a human made ideology which denies the existence of anything beyond this transitory world and claims it merely exists by purposeless accident. To believe in this I think there is an awful lot of stuff you just have to ignore or deny.

Summary: you can't fathom individuals forming their own opinions without indoctrination to dogmatic beliefs, so you simply perceive anything contrary to your own dogmatic beliefs as dogma you don't agree with.

When in fact, there is no competing dogma in the lack of acceptance of superstitious belief and unsupported claims. You are rejecting reality, because much of reality runs contrary to what you've been trained to believe from a young age.

You seem unable to fathom that those who have arrived at a lack of belief in primitive superstition did so by rationally examining those beliefs.

And you do it with a dogmatic bible-pounding efficiency that makes it abundantly clear you are unwilling to critically examine your own beliefs, and are projecting your own shortcomings onto others.

It's pathetic. You've given your own specific brand of irrational dogma a special pass, because you were trained to. You cannot disprove the existence of thousands of other Gods in human history, and yet you don't accept any of them because you were told you had the right one. Don't claim rations superiority when you by definition hold irrational beliefs you're unwilling to examine. It's as ludicrous as some old lady attending a Stephen Hawking lecture and announcing that he's clearly wrong because earth actually rests on the back of a giant tortoise, and "it's tortoises all the way down,"