RE: SATAN!
April 22, 2010 at 1:53 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2010 at 1:54 am by aufis.)
@tavarish
Job1:20-21(NIV) after his family, properties were lost.
20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:
"Naked I came from my mother's womb,
and naked I will depart. [c]
The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;
may the name of the LORD be praised."
i would like to emphasize the two last sentences(or maybe one, im not good in grammar if ";" denotes two sentences)
"The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised"
its true. all things that he had(even his families) are all from God(moreover, even his life).
Only the flesh of his family died. but their souls lives forever then what is the problem for killing their flesh if even though they were killed they will live for eternity?
Job have faith so after the test he had more prosperous life in earth and much more in eternal life with his family, then whats the problem there?
"So the ends justify the means. If I punch a newborn baby square in the head, but then give the mother a new car because she didn't press charges, does that make me a moral person? " (sorry i don't know how to quote much more)
if you consider satan as a moral being then thats justifiable.
"God allows Job to suffer, despite already knowing that he would stay faithful, and knowing that such a deal with Satan would come up, YET HE DOES IT ANYWAY. You're completely missing the point that God literally took a dump on this guy's life just to prove a point to Satan. Did Satan learn anything? Did he convert and repent? No. He said "Oh, ok" and went on his way to do more bad shit, all the while Job has to live with the knowledge that God doesn't give a shit about life when there are points to prove about how powerful he is and who loves him the most. Yea, he got more cattle and shit. I'm going to start tazing stray cats, and the ones who still purr when they see me after a week will get all the cat food they can eat. "
well, were speaking dignity here. if God will not make a point then it means satan was right. to prove that satan is wrong he accepted the challenge of satan.
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@LEDO(sorry i don't know that satan is lower case. when i revisited "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan" satan is on uppercase.)
apologize sir, but can you please identify the verses when you say "God answered Job's questions with questions. Of course God never gave Job the answer to his own questions to prove that God knew the answers."
specially this one
"God was ashamed he had fucked over Job because he was goaded into a silly bet with satan (lower case is correct) that he would never tell Job what happened."
what do you mean when you say
"So I see in heaven a group of angels sitting around watching me, placing bets as to which hand I am going to choke my chicken next. "(maybe i'm takin it literally cause i can't understand it)
oh i forgot
@Minimalist
its how you believe it. i think we don't need to argue with this one. ^^
Job1:20-21(NIV) after his family, properties were lost.
20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:
"Naked I came from my mother's womb,
and naked I will depart. [c]
The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;
may the name of the LORD be praised."
i would like to emphasize the two last sentences(or maybe one, im not good in grammar if ";" denotes two sentences)
"The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised"
its true. all things that he had(even his families) are all from God(moreover, even his life).
Only the flesh of his family died. but their souls lives forever then what is the problem for killing their flesh if even though they were killed they will live for eternity?
Job have faith so after the test he had more prosperous life in earth and much more in eternal life with his family, then whats the problem there?
"So the ends justify the means. If I punch a newborn baby square in the head, but then give the mother a new car because she didn't press charges, does that make me a moral person? " (sorry i don't know how to quote much more)
if you consider satan as a moral being then thats justifiable.
"God allows Job to suffer, despite already knowing that he would stay faithful, and knowing that such a deal with Satan would come up, YET HE DOES IT ANYWAY. You're completely missing the point that God literally took a dump on this guy's life just to prove a point to Satan. Did Satan learn anything? Did he convert and repent? No. He said "Oh, ok" and went on his way to do more bad shit, all the while Job has to live with the knowledge that God doesn't give a shit about life when there are points to prove about how powerful he is and who loves him the most. Yea, he got more cattle and shit. I'm going to start tazing stray cats, and the ones who still purr when they see me after a week will get all the cat food they can eat. "
well, were speaking dignity here. if God will not make a point then it means satan was right. to prove that satan is wrong he accepted the challenge of satan.
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@LEDO(sorry i don't know that satan is lower case. when i revisited "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan" satan is on uppercase.)
apologize sir, but can you please identify the verses when you say "God answered Job's questions with questions. Of course God never gave Job the answer to his own questions to prove that God knew the answers."
specially this one
"God was ashamed he had fucked over Job because he was goaded into a silly bet with satan (lower case is correct) that he would never tell Job what happened."
what do you mean when you say
"So I see in heaven a group of angels sitting around watching me, placing bets as to which hand I am going to choke my chicken next. "(maybe i'm takin it literally cause i can't understand it)
oh i forgot
@Minimalist
its how you believe it. i think we don't need to argue with this one. ^^
