(April 26, 2010 at 5:52 am)leo-rcc Wrote:Quote:Vegetarianism doesn't claim to be the voice of God on Earth,
Just because vegetarianism doesn't worship a carrot doesn't make it any less dogmatic.
Does everyone here cut up each individual clause (not even sentence) and attempt to refute that, and as a consequence the essence of the post (as a whole) is lost?
Vegetarianism doesn't involve any worshipping (carrots, or otherwise). If I was a militant vegetarian, I might have very passionate beliefs. But I don't think my beliefs are mandated from God and heaven. I don't believe that my vegetarianism is a path to eternal salvation, or that I am saved and everyone else will burn. I might think it is ‘good’ or even ‘better’ but no where near the levels religion provides.
Quote:Quote:proclaim to have truths which are unsubstantiated
That they do. Vegetarians and Vegans in particular claim that you have a healthier fuller life as a vegetarian, while that is in no way substantiated.
Again. This is where context is vital.
When I said "truths which are unsubstantiated", I didn't mean about carrots or healthier lives. I was referring to truths about human existence, our origins, the existence of angels and devils, and the after-life etc ...
Official vegetarianism is backed-up with, at least, some evidence. It doesn't have a Holy scripture that orders them on how they should live their lives.
Quote:Quote: and claims that we should follow their agenda to be rewarded with salvation.
The amount of times I've heard hardline vegans claim that you feel so much better if you just stop eating that junk and your quality of life gets so much better.
"feel so much better" is not (at all) the same as eternal salvation.
The latter is a proclamation of the after-life and it's nature, whilst the former is merely an emotion.
Quote:Quote:It may be a social group on a basic point, but it operates on a different level to the rest.
How do you figure? Just because their claims are more outrageous then other groups doesn't separate them from other social groups.
It's not about which is more outrageous.
The comparison lies in that one is a mandate from heaven on how one should live their lives, think, raise children etc … it is a proclamation of absolute unparalleled unsurpassed truths that have no basis or evidence, it is the belief that one should live a certain life according to the wishes of an eternal entity, through some Holy scripture. That way of life means people believe they are acting according to the wishes of a being who will reward them in the after-life and that creates an air of superiority and the affirmation that bigotry etc is permitted as it is divine. No political party or social group is like this at all.