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Using the arguments against actual infinites against theists
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RE: Using the arguments against actual infinites against theists
(May 10, 2014 at 1:25 am)Freedom of thought Wrote: I will first start off by pointing out that since god is omniscience, he would know absolutely everything, so this means he would have to have infinite knowledge.

Only if you think God's knowledge is propositional, I think. Further, apologists often distinguish a qualitative infinity from a quantitative one. They might say something like God is omnipotent/infinitely powerful because there is no possible world where he or any other being has power greater than he does.

Quote:We know from quantum physics that there are essentially an infinite amount of possibilities. With the many world interpretation of quantum mechanics for example, there is an infinite amount of possible states which are all actualized. So, if god existed, he would have to know all of these infinite states to be omniscient, thus god's knowledge would have to be infinite.

Under MWI, there are an unlimited amount of universes, not an infinite amount.

Quote:So the next time a theist tries to point out that infinites cannot be actualized, say they are cutting off the branch they are sitting on. Well, if infinities can't exist, then god can't be infinitely powerful or have infinite knowledge.

I agree what you're trying to get at, just not your examples.


Oh, and a mathematician I know has a book on this. Just search for "Dot Dot Dot: Infinity and God" on Amazon (that's not te exact title). It's pretty interesting. Smile
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RE: Using the arguments against actual infinites against theists - by MindForgedManacle - May 10, 2014 at 1:37 am

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