RE: Does it make sense to speak of "Universal Consciousness" or "Univer...
May 14, 2014 at 12:45 pm
(May 14, 2014 at 7:32 am)Hegel Wrote:(May 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Chas Wrote: No, that doesn't make sense. The evidence points to consciousness being an emergent property of a complex assemblage of matter, not the matter itself.
What evidence? How do you test your hypothesis that consciousness is an emergnet property?
The fact is that emergent materialism is piece of metaphysics, not science ... So, you seem to have a double standard.
In any case, you have the burden of proof to tell us how is emergent materialism testable? So go ahead, if you know something that I don't.
I do not claim that human consciousness is not the product of brain. Surely it seems to be. The question is: what is it in the brain that is responsible for this miracle? You claim it's some emergent information processing. Ok, that's a hypothesis, but how do you test it?
I claim that it's more plausible that consciousness is connected to some quantum phenomena in the brain, most likely in the microtubules.
This is a fucking joke right? Unless you ascribe to some form of dualism, consciousness is an emergent property of the brain by definition.
Not understanding this you ask how emergent materialism is testable. You then immediately foist on us Hameroff's unsupported microtubule claims. Doesn't it bother you that those claims are impossible to test?
I suppose you also don't realize that all the microtubule baseless speculation does is attempt to give a materialistic explanation for the rise of emergent consciousness that you are trying to replace. If on the other hand you are claiming that actual computation occurs at the microtubule level, you are suffering from the fallacy of division. Decoherence is a bitch.
Woo Meister is as Woo Meister does.