(May 18, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I fucking hate it when atheists fall for the "universe always existed vs came out of nothing". Don't let theists trap you in that bullshit argument. Science has theories competing both ways, but the top scientist Stephen Hawkins says "A GOD IS NOT REQUIRED".
Theists do not want to consider that "all this" is the product of a what, not a cognitive "who". QM isn't arguing a cognition as a starting point in any case.
Stephen Hawkins has only his ideas on how the universe may have come about. I'm sure all theists are going to abandon their beliefs once they know that Stephen Hawkins said a god is not required.