Whats up all, Sorry I haven't replied lately, but I want to say something more before this thread officially dies. Anyway...
We have a concept called nothing. Anything you can imagine, and anything you can't imagine, is not it. No matter where you are or how much time elapses. nothing will NEVER equal anything, because nothing is not something. Nothing is nothing. Self-evident truth. True everywhere.
MindForgedManacle's response was refreshingly different:
And when I hear "Actual Infinities", I think "Hilbert's Hotel". Any thoughts?
(May 8, 2014 at 11:47 pm)whateverist Wrote: I don't think the cosmos gives a fig what our human logic finds necessary.
(May 8, 2014 at 11:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote: In order for something to be self evident, it needs to be evident, which means you need evidence that demonstrates it to be true.
(May 9, 2014 at 12:50 am)max-greece Wrote: Outside of our limited world, however, logic breaks down.Are you guys honestly saying that logic itself is not true outside of what we can see and detect? The whole point of logic is that it works EVERYwhere and ALLways. We have a concept called motion, which is a transition from a starting point to an ending point. No matter where or when you are, if something doesn't have a starting or ending point, it's not motion. EVER. There is motion, therefore there is a starting point. Self-evident truth. True everywhere.
We have a concept called nothing. Anything you can imagine, and anything you can't imagine, is not it. No matter where you are or how much time elapses. nothing will NEVER equal anything, because nothing is not something. Nothing is nothing. Self-evident truth. True everywhere.
MindForgedManacle's response was refreshingly different:
(May 9, 2014 at 12:33 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: The Kalam presupposes (among other things):Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1 and 3 seem like 2 aspects of the same thing. If the A-theory of time is correct, things stop existing in one state and start existing in the next one as time elapses, and nothing cannot become something, as I've explained above. Of course, I could be misunderstanding the A and B theories. Can you please elaborate?
1) The A-theory of time
2) That there cannot be actual infinities
3) Something cannot come from nothing
And when I hear "Actual Infinities", I think "Hilbert's Hotel". Any thoughts?