(March 9, 2010 at 12:15 am)AngelThMan Wrote: First and foremost, I would like to define the word evidence. In speaking to atheists, this is always a point of contention, and too much time is spent on discussing whether or not what I’ve provided is evidence rather than on the real subject. Below are the dictionary definitions of the word…
ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/ Show Spelled [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb,-denced, -denc·ing.
–noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
No argument there.
AngelThMan Wrote:Note the terms ‘ground for belief’ and ‘an indication or sign.’ If a meteorologist discovers that rain in one region is evidence of something, and the lack of rain in another region is evidence of something else, and from these observations he forms a theory, then what he has observed is in fact evidence. What I’m about to provide is no different. I have made an observation about something that is real and tangible around us. Therefore, what I am providing is in fact evidence. Basically, I am claiming that there’s evidence all around us that God exits.
No. A meteorologist has a degree and has studied long enough to be deemed a scientist. Are you an authority on the subject of religion? And if so, on what grounds do you claim that authority?
AngeThMan Wrote:I should note that while I believe in God, I am not an extreme bible belt fundamentalist. I believe in evolution, and I am not unique in this. Roughly 40% of Christians in America believe in evolution. We just see it as part of God’s plan. The point is that I’m not here to argue against evolution, but to argue for the existence of God.I'm going to see that as you trying to prove that you are an intellectual. Which in my opinion is a contradiction to your claim "I believe in God."
AngelThMan Wrote:I will always speak to you in a civil manner. Atheists, who pride themselves as being intellectually superior to believers, should be able to provide intelligent arguments without profanity and name-calling. Light bantering and snide comments are okay; sometimes that’s part of the fun. But any disrespectful responses will be immediately ignored, regardless of how intelligent your point is.So, basically. You'll ignore what you don't want to hear, even if they have a good point.
AngelThMan Wrote:Atheists love to use the word ‘refuted’ a lot. Just because you say my argument has been refuted doesn’t mean it has been. I warn you that I am a tough cookie, and I’ll likely have an answer for just about anything you post. So if you’re easily frustrated, perhaps you should not participate in this discussion.I can't see an intelligent member of this forum lying about whether or not an argument you have has been refuted or not. What would be the gain of lying about such things?
AngelThMan Wrote:Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form. Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years? But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?
Your claim is ignorant. There are intelligent animals. Dolphins are considered highly intelligent, and Chimpanzee's have been in space. It would take a great deal of intelligence on their part in order to do so. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought intelligence is measured on the ability to learn and retain information.
The human species shares similarities with other animals on that part (humans are animals). We live to procreate. It just so happens we cannot survive (like any other living thing) without proper nutrition (food), regeneration (sleep) and sex (insuring species survival).
AngelThMan Wrote:Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior. But to truly understand why my evidence points towards a deity one needs to be able to appreciate the grandness of this gift that is human intelligence. And you have to ask yourself, why are we the only species, out of millions, that have achieved this type of intelligence? Evolution is about natural selection, but shouldn’t at least one other species, out of millions, have benefited from intelligence? I think so. And there would be a myriad of other intelligent species if there were no God. If you can appreciate the grandness and uniqueness of human intelligence, then you’ll understand why only humans were given this gift, and you'll know why what I've outlined here points to a God.
No it's not, for several reasons. Most of which I've stated above and others before me. Also, you're assuming that all intelligent life stops before we leave the atmosphere. Considering the universe is infinite, there has to be other intelligent life out there. It would be ignorant to assume otherwise.
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