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Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(May 21, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: Atheist require proof from Christians and I've given mine, all I ask is the atheist do the same as I was willing to do.

All we've ever asked from is for demonstrable evidence that your god is real, as you claim he is. You have never done this. You would know that you have succeeded when the consensus on here becomes "Yes! Godschild's god is real!" But it's not. Not even close.

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GC Wrote:I've seen all to often that atheist say all claims need proof...
Citation needed. I have never said this. Has anyone else here ever said this? I think not.

Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." What do you think qualifies as an extraordinary claim? If I tell you that I had a sandwich for lunch, is that claim extraordinary?

Christopher Hitchens added an extra line to this already famous quote: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Since your evidence has not satisfactorily justified your claim that a deity exists, all the atheists that have ever spoken to you here continue to dismiss your claims.

GC Wrote:...am I suppose to just ignore the claim that all claims require proof...

Nope. Know why? Because, as I mentioned earlier, nobody says this. Ordinary claims, such as stating that I am married, or that I drive a car to work, or that I am an atheist, can generally be taken at face value. No need for investigation is needed.

But do you know what's great about the examples I listed? I can actually provide demonstrable evidence that all three statements are true. I have a marriage certificate from the state of Arizona, so I am definitely married. I drive a 2013 Ford Mustang, for which I can provide registration to show that it's in my possession and gas receipts to show that I drive it. I'm also an atheist, to which is evidence by the fact that I do not hold a belief in any deity. Since actions speak louder than words, I submit to you my online activities: the way in which I engage theists in discussion whether it's here or on social media and my video history on YouTube, to include the many comments that I have left there. My ideology is decidedly one of non-belief, as evidenced by my very apparent lack of belief in a deity.

I suppose I could ask you the same thing: are you really a Southern Baptist? You may have a membership record, but perhaps it's a front. A sham!

But doesn't it sound very silly of me to suggest something so conspiratorial for no good reason?

GC Wrote:...or do atheist believe that only applies to Christians, personally I do not think that was the meaning.

Then why ask if that's what we think? The burden of proof is on anyone making a claim. Not all claims require the same level of proof.

(I feel like we've covered this a few times now, but repeating it never hurts.)

GC Wrote:By the way I'm not doing this out of mistrust and the way you answer my posts we get nowhere any way, so if you believe it's mistrust I'm showing it wouldn't matter in our discussion anyway.

So...what? You're doing this to prove a point? I'm actually glad you brought this up. I think you're actually getting a much better handle on what the "burden of proof" is than some other people that grace these forums. Something of us must actually be rubbing off on you, and I likes what I sees.

(May 21, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Lek Wrote:
(May 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: So then why do a lot of Christians (theists per se) repeatedly use the no true Scotsman fallacy?

And how do you know this god thing decides on who the 'true' Christians are? Has it told you, personally?

No. The scriptures tell me. They state the criteria.

If they state it so plainly, then why aren't there more True Christians™?
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Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Brakeman - April 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - April 18, 2014 at 9:52 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Tonus - April 28, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 11:47 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 17, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Ksa - May 13, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 11, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 18, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 18, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 18, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 20, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 20, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Bad Writer - May 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 28, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - May 28, 2014 at 11:09 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 10:19 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 8, 2014 at 11:39 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 9, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life. - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 12:05 pm

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