RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 8:46 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2014 at 8:54 am by Chad32.)
(May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote:(May 22, 2014 at 6:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In the final analysis, God punished Eve unjustly. She ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil. Even though God told her and her hubby not to eat this fruit, prior to eating it, they couldn't possibly have known that disobeying God was an evil act.
So, it doesn't much matter if Eve is in hell or not. Simply by visiting women with pain in childbirth and ejecting the couple from the Garden, God meted out punishment for what was, in Eve's mind, not a sin, not a crime, not an evil act - she simply lacked the requisite knowledge to know that what she was doing was wrong.
It is as if you told your teenage son that he has an 11:00 PM curfew, but you tell him in Mandarin, which he does not speak. He arrives home that night at 11:03 and you beat him with a stick, all the while shouting, 'I told you! I told you!' It doesn't matter whether you told him or not, when he has no way of knowing WHAT you told him.
This sort of thing makes me wonder if there's anything - anything at all - that the Bible got right.
Boru
All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.
GC
How could she possibly understand what death was? Nothing had ever died in front of her. He may as well have said don't do this thing, or you will surely flacshook. There's no reference point here. The only reason they were hiding is because the authors of the bible had been raised to think covering up your body was good. I'm not sure what gave Adam and Eve the idea that being naked was bad. Humans need to be taught this kind of thing, much like everything else.
The Eden story doesn't make sense. Especially if you go with the version that had a Tree of Life, where they'd be immortal if they ate the fruit. Meaning eating the Tree of Knowledge fruit wasn't even what caused them to die. It was Yahweh being mad at them for disobedience.
I don't know how it's possible to convince anyone that a being who punishes people for the crimes of others is a just individual. It should be very easy to convince someone that it's evil. If you believe it's impossible for an omnicient god to do evil, then your god isn't omnicient.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html