Is Eve in Hell right now?

[Kitan Etos]

Any evidence I gave would be rejected by you, there's no need in trying.

Real evidence cannot be dismissed. Therefore, you have no real evidence in support of your claim.

How else would I have gotten the idea you did.

Through your need for self validation whereby your imagination gets the better of you.

in this country Christians are riding on the easy train.

That is the truth at least, albeit a truth that should not be reality. After all, theists hold too much sway in how others should live their lives. Thank goodness that is changing. The fortunate truth is that everything evolves except religion. Therefore, religion gets left behind.

[Bob Kelso]

All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.

An omniscient God has literally infinite solutions at it's disposal... yet the Judeo-Christian God seems to be hung up on blood, gore, violence and absolutes. Seems rather small minded for a supposed all-knowing god wouldn't you say?

Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.

GC

Saying that Eve understood that she would receive punishment if she and her counterpart ate from the tree is irrelevant. Taking the scripture from a literal standpoint Adam and Eve had absolutely no knowledge of moral action (good & evil), so how could one hold another morally responsible for their actions if they literally knew no better?

That would be akin to holding a beast morally responsible for it's actions (like a lion eating a man).

Furthermore, who is really morally wrong in this situation? The mortals who did not have the capacity to understand the concepts of right and wrong, and how to apply said concepts to their actions, or the infinitely knowledgeable deity who knew that his creations would eat from the tree but still put it there in the bloody garden anyway? Sounds like a set-up to me...

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In the final analysis, God punished Eve unjustly. She ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil. Even though God told her and her hubby not to eat this fruit, prior to eating it, they couldn't possibly have known that disobeying God was an evil act.

So, it doesn't much matter if Eve is in hell or not. Simply by visiting women with pain in childbirth and ejecting the couple from the Garden, God meted out punishment for what was, in Eve's mind, not a sin, not a crime, not an evil act - she simply lacked the requisite knowledge to know that what she was doing was wrong.

It is as if you told your teenage son that he has an 11:00 PM curfew, but you tell him in Mandarin, which he does not speak. He arrives home that night at 11:03 and you beat him with a stick, all the while shouting, 'I told you! I told you!' It doesn't matter whether you told him or not, when he has no way of knowing WHAT you told him.

This sort of thing makes me wonder if there's anything - anything at all - that the Bible got right.

Boru

All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.

GC

Actually, an omniscient God couldn't justly punish anyone at all. If God knows when and where sins are going to be committed (and he does, you just said so yourself) but metes out punishment AFTER the sin takes places, that isn't justice, it is simply some bizarre form of divine entrapment.

Adam and Eve knew what they had done was wrong, but only after the fact - they had no way to know right from wrong until after they committed the act (eating the fruit) for which they were punished. The sin they committed was what gave them the knowledge to know that what they had JUST done was a sin, they couldn't possibly have known beforehand, regardless of what God told them. If God were interested in justice, he would have let them off with a finding of 'diminished capacity'.

Boru

[Confused Ape]

[Brakeman]

I think this can help clarify the matter.

[Cato]

You wouldn't see the truth if it kicked your teeth out. You claiming the Bible is a book of fairy tales?

Gnashed out, not kicked out. At least attempt to remain consistent regarding your god's preferred means of dental destruction.

[Bob Kelso]

You wouldn't see the truth if it kicked your teeth out. You claiming the Bible is a book of fairy tales?

Gnashed out, not kicked out. At least attempt to remain consistent regarding your god's preferred means of dental destruction.

Cut him some slack, even the Bible can't get it's consistency straight. With that precedent it's no wonder Christians can't keep it between the lines.

[Chad32]

In the final analysis, God punished Eve unjustly. She ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil. Even though God told her and her hubby not to eat this fruit, prior to eating it, they couldn't possibly have known that disobeying God was an evil act.

So, it doesn't much matter if Eve is in hell or not. Simply by visiting women with pain in childbirth and ejecting the couple from the Garden, God meted out punishment for what was, in Eve's mind, not a sin, not a crime, not an evil act - she simply lacked the requisite knowledge to know that what she was doing was wrong.

It is as if you told your teenage son that he has an 11:00 PM curfew, but you tell him in Mandarin, which he does not speak. He arrives home that night at 11:03 and you beat him with a stick, all the while shouting, 'I told you! I told you!' It doesn't matter whether you told him or not, when he has no way of knowing WHAT you told him.

This sort of thing makes me wonder if there's anything - anything at all - that the Bible got right.

Boru

All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.

GC

How could she possibly understand what death was? Nothing had ever died in front of her. He may as well have said don't do this thing, or you will surely flacshook. There's no reference point here. The only reason they were hiding is because the authors of the bible had been raised to think covering up your body was good. I'm not sure what gave Adam and Eve the idea that being naked was bad. Humans need to be taught this kind of thing, much like everything else.

The Eden story doesn't make sense. Especially if you go with the version that had a Tree of Life, where they'd be immortal if they ate the fruit. Meaning eating the Tree of Knowledge fruit wasn't even what caused them to die. It was Yahweh being mad at them for disobedience.

I don't know how it's possible to convince anyone that a being who punishes people for the crimes of others is a just individual. It should be very easy to convince someone that it's evil. If you believe it's impossible for an omnicient god to do evil, then your god isn't omnicient.

[Confused Ape]