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For the Thinking Man.
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For the Thinking Man.
Atheism is a close ended belief system where everything is explained in terms of the natural order of things.
And so ,no god or gods , only nature .
But in nature all things are linked together and everything has precedence which can be traced back to the big bang.
But the problem for the godless is how to explain rational thinking.
Since thoughts are events, all of our thoughts should be fully explainable in mechanical terms, and not to a person’s free-will .. But any thought which is not guided by what is “true” but only by mechanical , physical needs ,is not rational.
And if one comes to his beliefs and thoughts not because he chose it, but because it was all that the total universe would allow, then the" nature is everything"is, basically , self-defeating.
No belief is rational if it can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
If all there is ,is materialism , then all beliefs can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
so if materialism is true, then no belief is rational. If any belief is based that no belief is rationally derived , then it should be rejected ... Therefore materialism ,atheism and nothing but nature should also be rejected ..
but there's more : any notion of good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, etc., must also be treated as mythical. nothing more than helpful ideas , but ideas with no existence ( ontology) of their own. Life would then be essentially meaningless since its ultimate goal is mere survival, an unattainable goal in a world where death is guaranteed and final.
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For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 27, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Losty - May 28, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Losty - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 9:51 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 10:05 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:26 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 27, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Neo-Scholastic - May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Angrboda - May 27, 2014 at 9:15 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 27, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:08 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:31 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 11:14 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by LostLocke - May 28, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Grand Nudger - May 27, 2014 at 11:22 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by max-greece - May 28, 2014 at 12:42 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 28, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by BlackMason - May 28, 2014 at 2:30 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 6:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 28, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 28, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by RobbyPants - May 28, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by archangle - May 28, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 7:52 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 29, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 28, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Zidneya - May 29, 2014 at 12:04 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 29, 2014 at 3:50 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by LastPoet - May 29, 2014 at 3:56 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Mothonis - May 29, 2014 at 5:50 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Esquilax - May 29, 2014 at 6:54 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Mister Agenda - May 29, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 29, 2014 at 9:08 pm

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