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For the Thinking Man.
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RE: For the Thinking Man.
(May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Atheism is a close ended belief system where everything is explained in terms of the natural order of things.
And so ,no god or gods , only nature .

Nope. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. You can still totally believe in unicorns, ghosts, and leprechauns and be atheist. You're describing something more like naturalism.


(May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: But the problem for the godless is how to explain rational thinking.
Since thoughts are events, all of our thoughts should be fully explainable in mechanical terms, and not to a person’s free-will .. But any thought which is not guided by what is “true” but only by mechanical , physical needs ,is not rational.

First of all rational "thinking" is out we experience our own consciousness. It's not an entity unto itself. Secondly, a thought process is rational if it follows logic. Regardless of whether it came from a person's brain in a deterministic set of chemical reactions or came from a person's soul is beside the point.


(May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: No belief is rational if it can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.

Now this makes no sense. Both because it's a completely baseless non sequitur, and also because theism has never "fully" explained anything. Every theistic argument raises more questions than it answers. By your logic, I could explain rational belief with leprechauns.


(May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: but there's more : any notion of good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, etc., must also be treated as mythical. nothing more than helpful ideas , but ideas with no existence ( ontology) of their own. Life would then be essentially meaningless since its ultimate goal is mere survival, an unattainable goal in a world where death is guaranteed and final.

I wouldn't say it's meaningless. I find plenty of meaning in my own life. Just because I don't believe in any gods doesn't mean I can't enjoy my time here.


Now, I see where you're trying to go with this, but your theistic way of thinking has tainted your entire thought process, and you're not really looking into what it is to be atheist, or looking at what atheists believe.
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Messages In This Thread
For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 27, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Losty - May 28, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Losty - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 8:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 9:51 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by rexbeccarox - May 27, 2014 at 10:05 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:26 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 27, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Neo-Scholastic - May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Jackalope - May 27, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Angrboda - May 27, 2014 at 9:15 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 27, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:08 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:31 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Heywood - May 27, 2014 at 11:14 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by LostLocke - May 28, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Grand Nudger - May 27, 2014 at 11:22 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by max-greece - May 28, 2014 at 12:42 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 28, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by BlackMason - May 28, 2014 at 2:30 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 6:16 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 28, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 28, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by RobbyPants - May 28, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by archangle - May 28, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 28, 2014 at 7:52 pm
For the Thinking Man. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 28, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Cyberman - May 29, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 28, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Zidneya - May 29, 2014 at 12:04 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 29, 2014 at 3:50 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by LastPoet - May 29, 2014 at 3:56 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Mothonis - May 29, 2014 at 5:50 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Esquilax - May 29, 2014 at 6:54 am
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Mister Agenda - May 29, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Artur Axmann - May 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: For the Thinking Man. - by Ravenshire - May 29, 2014 at 9:08 pm

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