Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
May 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 at 11:45 pm by Rampant.A.I..)
(May 28, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Lek Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: • Christians are responsible for the worst atrocities in human history.
Christians are not responsible for the worst atrocities in human history. I know that you're going to say that Hitler was a christian because he was raised as a catholic, but he left the catholic church long before he became fuehrer.
This was specifically directed at the guy advancing unsupported claims about atheists being degenerates. However:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolph Hitler
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
Quote: Read up on him and you can decide for yourself. We also have Lenin and Stalin in Russia, Mao in China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Kim Jong-un in North Korea and many other "peace-loving" secularists around the world. We can't go back very far in history because secularist societies didn't exist much in the ancient world, but I could point out tons of atrocities committed by non-christians going way back.
A case could be made that Christianity is in fact a leading killer worldwide, or at the very least religion is, but that's really for another thread. As far as secularism:
Pol Pot, leader of the Khmer Rouge:
"Prince Norodom Sihanouk said, “Pol Pot does not believe in God but he thinks that heaven, destiny, wants him to guide Cambodia in the way he thinks it the best for Cambodia, that is to say, the worst. Pol Pot is mad, you know, like Hitler.”
As far as Mao Zedong:
Quote:The following quotes are from: “Behind the bamboo curtain: China, Vietnam, and the world beyond Asia” By Priscilla Mary Roberts. Mao Zedong and Pham Van Dong, Beijing, November 17, 1968
Pham Van Dong: How are you, Chairman Mao?
Mao Zedong: Not very well. I have had a cough for some days. It is time to go to Heaven. It seems that I am summoned to meet the Good God. How is President Ho?
http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/37691432001
If you add up the body count, it is impressive in number. One of the reasons the body count of Christian atrocities will tend to be higher, and will continue to be is we simply have more technology available. The inquisition had superior equipment to the people they were torturing, Hitler had bombs, and machines of war.
That said, the goal of the post you're responding to is to make the same sort of claims about Christians as were being made about atheists, backed with actual data.
When I have access to more than a phone screen, I'll start a more in-depth thread.
(May 28, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Brakeman Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: how much worse would it be with fewer Christians?
You can't chase christians out of the national culture and conversation and then blame them for the aftermath.
put the gloves back on or over your mouth.
It's time to put the beer bottle down and sleep it off Artur..
Actually, his posts make a lot more sense if he's typing with his face.
