For the Thinking Man.

[Zidneya]

Atheism is a close ended belief system where everything is explained in terms of the natural order of things.

If everything it's already explained in terms of the natural order well then we wouldn't still be investigating…well everything.

But the problem for the godless is how to explain rational thinking.

Is this one of those misleading threads to force and convince atheists to admit that soul exists?

But any thought which is not guided by what is “true” but only by mechanical , physical needs ,is not rational.

Define true please.

And if one comes to his beliefs and thoughts not because he chose it, but because it was all that the total universe would allow, then the" nature is everything"is, basically , self-defeating.

Either this guy is incredibly smart or I misread something somewhere because for me that doesn't make any sense whosoever.

No belief is rational if it can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.

I thought that we where talking about thinking and now it's about beliefs?

If all there is ,is materialism , then all beliefs can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.

Emm technically speaking all beliefs are already explained either aboarding a rational or emotional line of causes and events.

so if materialism is true, then no belief is rational. If any belief is based that no belief is rationally derived , then it should be rejected ...

To me beliefs are the assumption or supposition of how something that we can't either predict nor explain works(there you go a rational explanation of a belief, at least from my point of view) but just because you may believe in something doesn't make it real. Also the rational thinking that you gave into creating that belief must take in count in order to rely your trust and hopes in it.

Therefore materialism ,atheism and nothing but nature should also be rejected ..

Do any of this guys had any debate victory since the forum started?

but there's more : any notion of good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, etc., must also be treated as mythical.

Yeah kids forget the myths of pegasus and Perseus the real myth about emotions it's vast and more fantastic.

Life would then be essentially meaningless since its ultimate goal is mere survival, an unattainable goal in a world where death is guaranteed and final.

Sometimes I ask if some people aren't better without atheism because the idea of telling them they won't spend their eternal vacations on the penthouse it's like try to explain a spoiled self absorbed kid with violent tendencies that there is no Santa Claus. It's like in their brains atheism it's more radical and absurd than a person with a light ring on top of their heads.