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A reason to believe?
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RE: A reason to believe?
(April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am)Atheist_named_Christian Wrote:
(April 30, 2010 at 4:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Christianity divides positive and negative, embracing positivity. Shit still happens. Realism is still invoked. Logical reasoning is effected to positive result.

Christianity divides positive and negative on an arbitrary basis established by people I wouldn't want to meet alone in a dark alley.
True, but then you're not talking about Christianity, but people.

(April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am)Atheist_named_Christian Wrote: There are several problems:

1. There is no "right" or "wrong" - moral absolutism is one of the worst things about christianity (and most other religions, too). It leads to intolerance and arrogance based on values one is not allowed to even think about. It is not a given that your or my set of ethical values is the best (whatever that should mean) - it is important to question these values.
In essence Christianity is about questioning your values unselfishly. Again, you're talking perversion by people.

(April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am)Atheist_named_Christian Wrote: 2. Realism is not involved at all. If this was the case, religion wouldn't need a divine being that punishes those who disobey.
I don't see how this is relevant. In our secular society there's punishment for wrongdoing. None of us are free from it. People thrive knowing their boundaries. It would be incorrect to conclude that Christianity was about fear. That would be to miss the point.

(April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am)Atheist_named_Christian Wrote: 3. Logic and religion are completely incommensurate, as religion builds on faith that is founded purely irrationally.
Whilst faith has to be irrational, the consideration of theology is entirely rational and logically coherent internally.
(April 30, 2010 at 6:16 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Moi?? Idiot?? well that is YOUR prerogative fr0d0. Won't argue with you there...quite frankly don't care since I don't need to appease anyone. (no god, no person, niente zip)

No possum can't see any difference between 'Old' Christianity and 'New Age' christianity same shit ...different day. Let's face it xtians are screwed no matter what they think they evolving into.

YOUR god REALLY POSITIVELY HATES you!! Always has...insecure little shit that he is.
I'm appeasing someone? Do you think of yourself as some sort of sacrifice KN? Wow!

Ok, let me revise that... you're on another planet?? ...I sure have no idea what you're on about.
(April 30, 2010 at 6:45 am)Ace Wrote:
Quote:You seriously doubt it, but you don't know. And you refuse to accept that having a positive basis produces a different effect to no basis?? If you're going to deny reason to that extreme I guess there's no changing your mind.
I seriously doubt it because there is nothing to suggest that it's even remotely true.
I don't see religion as a positive thing. Ignorance is bliss, true but so is understanding (for me anyway).
I don't know but I don't think you do either. I never claimed to know, I said I seriously doubt it.
Well if I find myself lacking understanding in something, I hope I'd usually say "I don't know".

(I believe) You're trying to conflate the merit's of faith here with knowledge of the existence of God. The two things are different subjects, and I can tell you confidently that the search for evidence is futile.
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Messages In This Thread
A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Welsh cake - April 29, 2010 at 3:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by EggSpurt - April 29, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by True Christian - April 29, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - April 29, 2010 at 11:52 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by theVOID - April 30, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - April 30, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Xyster - May 2, 2010 at 2:07 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - April 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by campenney - May 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 2:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 3:05 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 4:22 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Atheist_named_Christian - April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Atheist_named_Christian - April 30, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - April 30, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Zen Badger - April 30, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 6:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by bozo - April 29, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 6:45 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 12:15 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 30, 2010 at 12:18 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - April 30, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 9:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - May 2, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - April 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by padraic - May 1, 2010 at 2:55 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - May 1, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - May 2, 2010 at 1:20 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 2, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 2, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 5:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 7:03 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by The_Flying_Skeptic - May 2, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Violet - May 3, 2010 at 7:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 7:41 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 12:57 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Thor - May 3, 2010 at 3:38 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Autumnlicious - May 3, 2010 at 3:46 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 7:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 8:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2010 at 5:00 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 8:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 9:33 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 10:44 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:50 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - May 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Autumnlicious - May 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 6:49 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2010 at 8:36 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 4, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 5, 2010 at 12:40 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 5, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 5, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm

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